Keith,

The problem with this proposal is the same one that will be for any of them: who has the rights to Jerusalem?

But without going into the "Jerusalem problem," I believe that the Golan heights presents another dilemma. An Israeli withdrawal from this position may be helpful for peace, but how long will that peace remain? Peaceful relations between Syria and Israel may even last for years, but what of the next generation?

I don't have any quotes or references to back this up, but I hope you accept it all the same. I stood at a lookout on the Golan heights back in June and it was a beautiful sight. However, from that vantage point it seems like only a stone's throw (or mortar's fire) from Kibbutz En Gev, and even Tiberius across the Sea of Galilee.

The residents of Sderot, near Gaza, face the reality of rockets landing regularly in their homes, schools and community. To give over all of the the Golan heights may present a similar situation for residents of the Galilee in the future.

MaNiK_JoSiAh

The issue of Jerusalem is actually dealt with in the 1994 peace treaty between Jordan and Israel which hopefully provides the parameters and basis on which negotiations could be successfully concluded with Jordan in relation to Jerusalem.

It is up to the negotiators to use their skills and innovative thought processes to settle the issue of Jerusalem to each side's satisfaction based on the peace treaty provisions.

The Golan Heights is a separate issue that involves Syria and Israel. It will become more amenable to resolution after sovereignty of the West Bank and Gaza between Israel, Jordan and Egypt is finalised. Again division of sovereignty could be the key.

There is no magic wand that can be waved to bring instant and lasting peace. Patience and staying power are both required to firstly defuse and then finally end the 130 years old running conflict between Jews and Arabs.

David Singer

The status of Jerusalem was actually dealt with in the UN Partition of Palestine in '48, and the 1949 Armistice Agreements. You should check also the actions of Jordan in relation to Jerusalem ... and you propose to give control back to them ... odd really.

You should also check the UN resolutions in relation to Israel's illegal occupation of Jerusalem starting with Resolution 252.

http://www.mideastweb.org/sc252.htm

After all these legitimate and decent attempts, made by Palestinians in conjunction with all the Arab states, at a resolution of peace, why is it that you want only to accept an agreement made between Jordan and Israel in 1994?

I put it to you it is that you see this course as more beneficial to Israel and excludes input from the native Palestinian residents thereby giving greater possibility of allowing Israel a sneaky and underhand attempt at a legitimisation of Israel's past public illegalities. A creeping progrom.

Now David Singer you haven't responded to my latest posts. I think you have been backed into a corner, of unknown making. I might at this point ask you which of us, to paraphrase your words, continues to display a basic want of ignorance of the Arab-Jewish conflict?

I have just watched both Obama and McCain asked whether they would go to Israel's aid if it was invaded.

You might consider their respective responses. Both were the same ... not surprising neither said yes. Which indicates if the cash dries up you won't be able to rely on American technology or blood.

In light of the present economic melt down, you better start considering that Arab League proposal ... before it's too late.

Keith:

The Arabs rejected the 1948 Partition Plan. Those days will not come back again.

General Assembly resolutions have no binding force.

I am relying on the 1994 peace treaty between Jordan and Israel because it represents a signed treaty between two sovereign states one of which has sovereignty in 17% of former Palestine and the other sovereignty in 77% of former Palestine. It is appropriate that they now be the negotiating parties as to the division of the remaining 6% of former Palestine as the Palestinian Authority has proved it itself incapable of negotiating a division with Israel after 15 years of negotiations.

I have given you my reasons why the 2002 Arab League Plan will end up in the garbage bin alongside the negotiations conducted with the PA.
If negotiations on that plan are now your option, then best of British. Perhaps you should write an article expressing your views.

Please tell me specifically what matters in your posts I have not responded to.

David Singer

'I have given you my reasons why the 2002 Arab League Plan will end up in the garbage bin alongside the negotiations conducted with the PA.'

Oh really when and where? Cos it wasn't in this forum.

Mr David Singer

'Please tell me specifically what matters in your posts I have not responded to.'
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 2:11:47 PM

Well here are five very specific matters in my posts to you which you have evaded a straigth forward, and in some case any, response:

One:
'David Singer do you realise your rants are merely attracting the worst type of racist a.......s aka Iam Joseph'
4 October 2008 9:18:34 PM

Two:
'You conveniently and deliberately ignore the illegal settlements and the illegal eviction of the Palenstians from those areas since '67.
Why don't they count in your grand scheme?'
5 October 2008 3:08:46 PM

Three:
'Why don't you reject Iam Joseph's racism ...'
5 October 2008 3:08:46 PM

Four:
'Care to deny you are unfamiliar with the following offer from the Arab League first proposed in Beirut in 2002 and endorsed in Riydah in 2007.
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htm
'The Arab Peace Initiative, 2002'
7 October 2008 11:16:30 AM

Five:
'I put it to you it is that you see this course as more beneficial to Israel and excludes input from the native Palestinian residents thereby giving greater possibility of allowing Israel a sneaky and underhand attempt at a legitimisation of Israel's past public illegalities. A creeping progrom.'
8 October 2008 12:49:30 PM

Given your past exhibition of racism and tunnel vision ... I'm really not holding my breath waiting for a reasoned response.

Manik Josiah

'An Israeli withdrawal from this position may be helpful for peace, but how long will that peace remain? Peaceful relations between Syria and Israel may even last for years, but what of the next generation?'

I agree long term peace will be very difficult to maintain ... given Israel's perchant for territorial expansionism ... since '67.