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Paulson pinpoints Palestine's panacea : Comments

By David Singer, published 26/9/2008

How to resolve the intractable 130-year-old conflict between Arabs and Jews over a piece of land once called Palestine.

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Keith:

The surveys were not conducted by "that US university" or "a bunch of Israeli university undergraduates" and are not "crap" as you erroneously and ridiculously suggest.

They were conducted by the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Public Research in Ramallah and the Al Najah University Centre for Opinion Polls and Survey Studies in Nablus.

Why don't you contact them directly to seek the information you want? You can find their addresses by googling the above names. I am sure they will be more than willing to oblige and authenticate the conclusions of those surveys as I have stated in my article.
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 5 October 2008 9:47:54 AM
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Oh I will David and promise you, you will come see that I have
Posted by keith, Sunday, 5 October 2008 3:18:01 PM
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David,

“Whilst most of these States continue to not recognise the State of Israel the conflict between Arabs and Jews is guaranteed to continue”

That’s a common misunderstanding or a piece of propaganda depending on your intent. I grew up in one of these Arab states and it’s a common belief among most arabs that they would recognize Israel 1967 Borders. Israel never got an internal consensus to define its own borders.

Jewish people lived in Arab/ Muslim majority states for centuries and as an average person I respect their right to chose to live alone in their own land. The just need to define their borders which you have to accept can only be resolved by Israelis.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Monday, 6 October 2008 11:19:09 PM
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Fellow_Human

Firstly there are no 1967 borders - they are only armistice lines. Resolution 242 makes it clear that they will not be the final borders. There will have to be adjustments to provide Israel with secure and recognised boundaries. The Arab League has yet to accept the Security Council's decision.

Secondly the Arab League offer as contained in the 2002 Saudi Arabian Initiative would require 500000 Jews to pack up and get out of the West Bank. This same demand has been made by the Palestinian Authority for the last 15 years and has been rejected by Israel. Imagine the uproar if someone advocated moving 500000 Arabs out of the West Bank. Refusal by the Arab League to budge on this issue ensures its Initiative will never get to first base.

Thirdly the Arab Initiative is very vague on the return of Arab refugees to live in Israel. It might help if the Arab League were to clearly spell out that compensation only would be sought but I doubt they are prepared to say so.

So a withdrawal to the 1967 armistice lines cannot happen unless brought about by war - which can now only be avoided in my opinion by dividing sovereignty of the West Bank and Gaza between Israel,Egypt and Jordan.

Yes, there will be a new map. This is the inevitable consequence of Jordan losing the West Bank and Egypt losing Gaza in the Six Day War. The Arabs cannot now possibly hope to wholly recover these lost areas after 41 years. Too much water has gone under the bridge since then.

Division of sovereignty offers the Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza the best chance of acquiring citizenship in an Arab country without having to leave their homes or businesses as well as liberating them from any Israeli control.

It is the best offer they can expect in the face of the collapse of President Bush's Roadmap.

How many more lives have to be lost and injuries sustained by both Jews and Arabs before the Arabs finally decide to accept Israel's permanent existence?
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 8:26:59 PM
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david Singer,

'Imagine the uproar if someone advocated moving 500000 Arabs out of the West Bank.'

Delete the words West Bank and add the words West Bank illegal settlements.

Then look at the uproar that was caused by the partition of Palestine in the first place .. and factor in the removal of (how many?) Arabs from their legally recognised homes ... then and since.

You've just made a major blunder and the negative implications for you and your proposals are immense.

Your comments are discrimatory ... which makes you ...?

Yep that's right ... racist.

Congratulations you've revealed your true self for all to see.
Posted by keith, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 1:35:54 PM
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Keith:

Your twisted perverted logic is there for all to see. I am proposing a solution that could involve no Arab or Jew leaving his current home or business. I have said that on at least three occasions so far. How many times do I need to say it before it sinks in?

You on the other hand wish to kick out 500000 Jews. That is also the policy of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, the PLO and the Arab League. You are welcome to your views. They certainly will not help resolve the conflict as the last 15 years have proved.

You apparently just don't want to read or try to understand what I write.

I think you owe me an apology. I hope you are man enough to make it.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 3:32:29 PM
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