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Aborting conscientious objection : Comments
By Michael Cook, published 23/9/2008In Victoria, as elsewhere in Australia, conscientious objection is a basic human right. But not for abortion.
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Posted by Menni, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 4:44:37 AM
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Ozandy,
<<Seriously folks, calling a bundle of cells "human" and then treating them as the moral equivilent of a human adult is perverse.>> Really? http://www.cbrinfo.org/Resources/pictures_2.htm Posted by OzSpen, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 5:43:25 PM
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Candide, I would call it hard line absolute choice.
The moral issue can never go away, it is the same for the death penalty for me, it is an absolute. But can I forgive a death penalty advocate on that? No. Whereas on abortion I couldn't take that line. Now the question on abortion is whether it is my choice and others? Well you might read into it that I am certainly not hard line that it is my choice. But standing by when foetuses are terminated doesn't get any easier when in "the choice" expedience is indeed so much a factor and the later terms are just an extra blip on the debate. Another sickening thing the related issue of the pre-natal testing, how many down syndrome babies get terminated when if they showed up unannounced they would have been loved and cherished? I've seen many people who were mortified when told their kids were autistic, and thought they had been cheated in life, but they then went on to have fully rewarded lives with these kids despite all the hardships. So is rational choice in the face of that certain hardship the right choice? On catholics, hypocrisy appears to me part of the deal, and I think is what allows it to survive, but I'm with JPII on eternal truths. Posted by ciao, Thursday, 25 September 2008 1:49:20 PM
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Ciao if so many people are happy to raise and love downs syndrome and autistic children why do 80% of disabled children end up in single parent families?
Posted by billie, Thursday, 25 September 2008 1:57:32 PM
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Billie, I was not aware of that statistic. I only know of 2 cases at first hand. 1 does fit that category, but I can tell you that the autistic child had nothing to do with it in that particular case and she continues to be loved by both parents. Other than that I add no comment other than the successful family has 4 kids with the boy concerned the eldest - a great kid too, but he has his moments. I keep thinking he wouldn't exist if the Orwellian state technocrats working on statistics had anything to do with it. So I don't refute your implication that marriage breakdown could increase as a result of the stress but I couldn't in any case abide individual termination decisions being justified by weights of numbers (which in turn are subject to other forces) within the sight of real people outcomes.
Posted by ciao, Thursday, 25 September 2008 2:27:34 PM
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So its a meaningless bunch of cells when in utero.
But if my pregnant partner has a car accident with a negligent driver on her way to the abortion clinic and she miscarries, the other driver can be charged with ahem, 'man' slaughter. Maybe we should all be done with the ridiculous pretentions to reason, as the fundamental driver of reason is NON-CONTRADICTION. If you can hold two contrary notions at once, this is said to be the marker of a first rate mind. If you can live by the contradiction, your mind will be first rate, but the delusion will surely result yield insanity. Maybe thats why psycho-therapy and psychotrpic drug use has become so common. Its hard to get on while believing the lies. l dont even know why folks bother trying to sound rational about stuff like this. Its not reason, its FORCE. Whose forcing who, l dont know. Everyone to some extent is as. It doesnt take much effort to intellectualise both sides. Essentially, if you get the numbers (might is right) you get the laws (force) and you get your way. Women constitute a demographic majority. Its about time us men stepped aside and let them get of their arses and really be independent and NOT DO THEIR BIDDING. Thats is the biggest problem in women becoming equal. The sexes wanna bask in the fairytale 'lancelot to the rescue of damsel' co-dependant game of clipping each others wings... instead of learning to fly. Posted by trade215, Thursday, 25 September 2008 6:51:13 PM
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