Col Rouge

"they had no right to enter Australia through the backdoor"

"they were deliberately jumping the queue of those people who are queuing and who, through demonstrating respect our migration processes are showing us."

You have been told time and time again on this forum, and no doubt elsewhere, that there is no 'queue' and yet you keep trotting out this same old garbage. The 'queue' and 'backdoor' are mythical constructs that bigots like you use to assuage their consciences. You have absolutely no understanding of the circumstances most refugees find themselves in.

People fleeing for their lives get away in whatever way they can, and it is perfectly legitimate for them to do so. They don't usually go and stand in a line somewhere. What an absurdity. Even those, for whom making it to a refugee camp is a feasible proposition, know that if they do it will most likely be to a life sentence. The majority of them will die there or watch family members do so. At the very least they will struggle to survive the squalor, overcrowding and disease for a number of years. For most, it will be a measure closer to decades than to years, and many will never leave. And their ticket out will rely far more on luck and bribery, than it will on patiently waiting their turn. You wouldn't sentence your family to that, Col, so why should they?

By the way, I would have thought anyone arrogant enough to pick others up on their spelling would have first made sure their own writing standards were fairly high. But of course glasshouses don't bother people with egos as big as yours.

CJ

"Of course I know how to spell "Porkycrap" - after all, I coined the term."

Are you okay with others borrowing the term? I've wanted to use it a few times lately but held off. I always prefer to ask first!

I wouldn't mind addressing BD as 'Polycarp' if the new moniker really had represented a change in attitude, as it did seem to show signs of at times in the early stages. Recently though, there has been such an obvious reversal to true form, that the term 'Porkycrap' is just so apt!

I don't mind Col 'wasteral' either!

JL Deland raises an interesting point in relation to this issue in saying "The so-called Pacific solution and distruption program cost the Australian tax-payer over 1 billion dollars. ....", and, "I suspect that some of the people here who are raising the cost issue as well, stayed silent when money was being thrown at the asylum seeker distruption program.".

The 'Pacific Solution' itself was seen by many as part of the problem. It was seen as a sop to the 'migration at any cost' and 'multiculturalist and political correctionist' lobbies. It should never have been undertaken. Much more direct and immediate forcible repatriation of illegal immigrants should have been effected, if necessary with the aid of escorted military transport aicraft and parachutes back to the country of origin, not the country of embarkation.

Australia would have had to wear the cost of the parachutes as a write-off. I'm guessing it would not have reached 1% of the cost of the so-called 'Pacific solution'.

There should have been followed a policy of taking DNA and other biometric identification records from all apprehended in attempts to illegally enter Australian jurisdiction, or requiring rescue in an Australian operational area, together with legislation forever banning subsequent entry to Australia for such persons or their descendants. That would have stopped the traffic in its tracks. The Howard government was urged to take such a course. Rest assured, as one who is raising the cost issue in relation to an ongoing witch hunt for purposes of political vengeance, I was not silent about the waste of the 'Pacific solution'.

I thoroughly applaud prior expenditures responsibly applied to disruption of that traffic.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The traffic HAS substantially stopped. I suggest that many of those who might have been prepared to embrace the status of 'asylum seeker' if they could secure a direct trip to Australia have since not been prepared to claim that status in their otherwise closest country of refuge without certainty that it would be Australia they could choose as an ultimate destination.

Toby says "The people who died were not Australian..that's irrelevant"

Well dear Toby.. the Jews who died in Aushwitz were not either..and I'm sure if one looked hard enough one could find some reason to 'speculate' that the Australian government KNEW something but didn't send in all it's military against Germany.....

I'm sure that in Darfor and a thousand other places and situations.. we could dredge up some level of "Australian political culpability" based on arguments from silence..speculation. wild guesses and convenient time lines.... in fact...why don't we blame the Australian government for 9/11 while we are at it?

Bennie says:

"Circumstances around sievx suggest a political rather than humanitarian motive."

and that's "it" isn't it.. wild guesses..speculation.. obession with.. all SUGGEST...... but do they prove? and to they suggest "compellingly" ? and that alone is going to be in the mind of the beholder.. "Ohhhh YES is it absolutely water-tight" until it get's to court and the judge laughs it out.

Mooooove on... unless you wish to take every Australian who ever had anything to do with EVERY perceived 'crime' or failure or neglect since Australia was formed....

I suppose the real FEAR in that though..is that in the absense of anything eternal perhaps.. the 'conspiracy theorists' would have nothing to live for?

How about getting on the "Save the Koorong" bandwagon.. how about 'Save the Murray' .. or save Bambi ?

Forrest Gumpp, parachutes? biometric data? and damning their children, their children's children, and their children's children for all time!

I think Craig Emerson just got knocked off his top spot by you with me for leaving me somewhat in somewhat 'ooblesmacked' - sadly they haven't comeup with a real expression for the emotion that posts such as yours inspire.

Given though that I'm aware of Goodwin's law I won't go there. Roll on tomorrow.

See so completely 'ooblesmacked' I mucked up my last post.
So there goes my two posts on the subject.