Bronwyn,
For some, Compassion is something that's reserved for Members Only and Truth is what's left after you've discarded or ignored all the facts that challenge your personal prejudices.

I also want to know what's been done in my name. While it's too late for those passengers, exposing any uncomfortable aspects about this case once and for all may avoid similar politically motivated tragedies in the future. It can't be left to quietly fade away into history.

There seems to me to be a distinct difference between the genuine seekers of truth in a matter of this nature, and the proponents of some sort of judicial inquiry into the circumstances of the sinking of the SIEVX.

It is a difference as to sincerity and motive.

Banjo has re-emphasised the cardinal point that this event happened outside Australian jurisdiction.

The motivation for continuing inquiry is that of the guilt peddlar. 'Prove' that there was possible 'looking the other way' on the part of Australian authorities, be they police or defence force personnel, and the whole nation is 'guilty'. Being 'guilty', the Australian public is then held (in the eyes of the guilt peddlars) to have forfeited its right to having a say in determining national policy with respect to, among other things, illegal immigration. The guilt peddlars, at heart, want to have the controlling say in how the nation is run, democracy notwithstanding.

As is usual, the guilt peddlars want the inquiry at everybody else's expense, speaking volumes as to their sincerity.

The important message to be derived from this tragedy (for the would-be illegal immigrants, both already here, and on that boat) is that such immigration is not only illegal but extremely DANGEROUS. It seems the message has got through. The boat-people traffic, it would appear, has stopped. Don't let those unfortunate people, pawns in the hands of the scum-of-the-earth people traffickers, have died in vain. Re-opening inquiry will only encourage resumption of the traffic.

Toby Fiander says: "You will note I do not have a nom-de-plume. This is a matter that requires serious and personal attention by Australians everywhere."

Toby, your sanctimonious claim to not having a nom-de-plume is noted. Unless you were to be so ill-advised as to publish further verifiable personal details, your claim is just that: a claim. It is also noted that the userID Toby Fiander had, at the time of this post, but one post on OLO.

A guilt-peddling axe-grinder.

Welcome to OLO, Toby Fiander.

No Wobbles and Bronwyn... my point is the same as Forests:

"There seems to me to be a distinct difference between the genuine seekers of truth in a matter of this nature, and the proponents of some sort of judicial inquiry into the circumstances of the sinking of the SIEVX."

There are so many aspects of that event which blurr into Indonesian/Australian/Who knows responsibilties..and it also encompasses our view on Sovereignty and independance and the motives also of the people seeking to exploit OUR country..

It hinges also on how we perceive their motives and legal status.. their foolhardyness and extreme self endangerment and risk taking...

So.. given that there are an absolute host of HUGE issues much more important than that one.... on our doorstep already.. one is attracted to the depressing conclusion that some people are simply obsessed and fixated on this issue.. to try to 'find someone to BAH-LAME and to bolster their own sense of self righteousness.

They will stop at nothing until the 'evil vile sinners' are found out and hung up to dry .. right? forgetting of course that they themselves have plenty of evil in their own hearts.. yes.. this is 'speck/beam' territory.. and the thing about the Seiv X is..those always and monotonously advancing this issue never EVER see that beam in their eye. But by golly they sure see it in others.. (hence ur comments about me)

THINK for a change..

a) Will some expensive and time consuming enquiry actually bring these people back?
b) What benefit will it bring to Australia? errr clear concience? that would be the joke of the year.

You mob remind me of the Phariseess.. "Look Lord.. we found this dirty scumbag politician committing political adultery.. THERE!..now.. what should be done to them? ('Stoning' written all over their faces of course) and the Lord says "You who are without sin... cast the first stone")

Needless to say.. all my comments here will be hurled back at me.. about "Islamophobia" etc..but that's the nature/price of interaction.

Porkycrap: << Needless to say.. all my comments here will be hurled back at me.. about "Islamophobia" etc..but that's the nature/price of interaction. >>

But that's why you post such misanthropic hateful rubbish all the time, isn't it Porky? Just so people will notice and "interact" with you.

This time you're not on about Muslims, homosexuals, Sikhs or dogs - just 350 or so desperate refugees whom Australian authorities allowed to drown, despite official knowledge of their plight and location. That you don't think such criminal negligence needs to be investigated just fits with your usual pattern of hateful xenophobia and lack of compassion.

I agree with gw, banjo, Mr Right, Polycarp, Forrest-Gumpp,

I see fancynancy opened with an ad hominine attack on Banjo, enough said.

Bennie implies that Banjo has a racial issue, which is not supported by what Banjo wrote.

Now we come to CJ Morgan who sees fit to criticizes Polycarp (despite not being able to spell properly, we make enough exceptions for CJ ignorance but he likes to keep on proving it) for posting “misanthropic hateful rubbish all the time,”

Whilst simultaneously endearing himself to us with his own ‘vacuous’ drivel and self-righteous posturing, what a poser (he must be a ‘dedicated follower of fashion’, although much un-sought).



Because people decide to climb into overcrowded, unseaworthy boats,
with the intent of deliberately avoiding the migration and entry requirements of Australia


it is not an Australian government responsibility


it is a case of

“volenti non fit injuria”.

And Tony Fiander, all your whining, beating of breasts and tearing of raiment about

“potentially a bloody good Australian,”

Simply illustrates, regardless of their “potential”,

they were not Australians,

they had no right to enter Australia through the backdoor

they were deliberately jumping the queue of those people who are queuing and who, through demonstrating respect our migration processes are showing us

a far greater “potential to be a bloody good Australian” than the SIEVX anarchists

so Tony, regardless of your suggestion that

“good Australian, of which there are too few.”

You are not the authority on who is good, who is bad and who is indifferent and nor do you personally decide who should come and live in Australia, we have a migration department for that and them who seek to avoid the valid migration processes deserve

Nothing but contempt

regardless of how sympathetic and ‘cow-eyed’ they look.

Regarding “This is a matter that requires serious and personal attention by Australians everywhere.”

No, I have toe nails to clip, teeth to floss and I really should run one of those hair trimmers around the inside of my nostrils…...

Just thinking about the cost issue that has been raised if an Inquiry was held. The so-called Pacific solution and distruption program cost the Australian tax-payer over 1 billion dollars. That would have brought for example, the diabetic kids of Austalia, a lot of insulin pumps which in the long run, would have saved us millions inlong term care. Our health system, education, infrastructure all would have benefited from this money. Plus we are now looking at compensation to the traumatised staff from the detention centres and the detainees themselves, the costs are ongoing.

We have now gone back as I understand it to close the original system of keeping asylum seekers in the community. The whole exercise was a massive waste of money done for political purposes. Howard manufactured a crisis to win an election. We weren't about to be submerged under a invading force of hostile aliens who were about to shred our way of life. He was a brilliant politican though not someone I think did Australia credit.

So what is wrong now with spending just a small amount of money by comparison, to look not just at the Sievx but the whole shomozzle? If massive amounts of public money have been spent on a Government program, shouldn't there automatically be a review? I suspect that some of the people here who are raising the cost issue as well, stayed silent when money was being thrown at the asylum seeker distruption program.