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Australia exports its draconian immigration system : Comments

By James Norman, published 15/9/2008

The EU is moving towards an immigration policy that includes tightly secured borders, stiff penalties and forced detention.

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Spikey,

If you didn't understand then a right and proper action would have been to question me directly for clarification. This you chose not to do.

The reason for your failure to understand is indeed a possibility but given your self-proclaimed literacy skills, highly improbable.

If you sincerely haven't understood by now you are either thick as or doing an excellent job of pretending to be. As a teacher, particularly "ESL", you skill set should be sufficiently enhanced to decipher seemingly confusing messages. Unless you are, as I mentioned, being deliberately obtuse and provocative.

I don't fit the mould of person alluded to in your last paragraph and it's quite obvious you are unwilling/unable to properly respond, so save yourself the trouble. Really, if this is the best you can do, I'm sorry to trouble your head.
Posted by 2legit, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 3:57:07 PM
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C.J.

My spouse and I always say that everyone is racist in the sense that they are proud of their own race and culture and usually feel more relaxed when among their own. This is different from racial discrimination. I dont even believe that it's all about racism I believe it is all about reaction to losing control of territory.

I'll gladly sit at anyones dinner table if they invite me in, whatever colour and enjoy their company.

Australia HAS been enjoying all the variety and colour of the different people from different cultures and the contributions they have made. THIS PROVES WHAT I SAY THAT IT IS NOT PRIMARILY ABOUT RACISM. If the races really hated each other that much there would be wide spread violence already they just wouldnt live together at all.

IT is fear of non-survival, and that is a very REAL fear.
Whole races of people have been unable to survive the taking of their territory and have been pushed to near extinction many times in history. So this isn,t just imagined fear of non-survival. Strategys to overcome this basic instinct in mankind is the answer we need to have PEACE ON EARTH
My push is always to try and head off these civil wars before they begin, by trying to get at the triggers that cause sudden uprisings and somehow head them off decades before they start.

Its about looking ahead to avert tragedys.
Posted by sharkfin, Thursday, 18 September 2008 12:20:17 AM
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"..with our wonderful diversity of restaurants and the tangible contribution that skilled migrants have made to our country..."

migrants not only inputted a larger variety of food menus, but also bring a contamination to the aussie way.what is the aussie way now? cus i tell you i can sit at auburn station right now and not feel very australian at all.

welcome to the new age of rapid migration, in other words, the decline of the australia spirit by the plague of foreign rooted ideologies.
Posted by just tran-k, Thursday, 18 September 2008 1:21:07 AM
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Sharkfin,
"The jews may have added something to German culture in the short term too, but because they refused to integrate they also forced the Germans to go to war, to regain control of their country"

There certainly is nothing racist about that statement, but I have to question the accuracy of it. I am no expert on German history, but my understanding is that after widespread political unrest, the Nazis came to power in 1933 and then capitalized on European dislike of jews (they killed Christ) to scapegoat the jews for all the ills of Germany from WW1 through the depression. The Jews had nothing to do with Germany going to war by invading other countries.

If you have any credible evidence contrary to that I would like to see that.

By the way I am also very much anti MC for probably the same reasons you are, i.e. disharmony. The accusations of racism by CJM and others is pretty much standard response by supporters of MC. It appears that our governments are finally starting to wake up to the failed ideology as nothing has been said about it for 12 months or more and even the word has fallen into disuse.

On topic, the author doesn't even know the difference between immigration and border control, so can be disregarded. OLO has debated boat people many times with the same arguments, without resolve. The changes to the previous system are minimum, as there is still detention and we have to check their bona fides. When some boat people try to test it again is anyone guess.

Spikey,
I would like to see your evidence that more illegals have arrived by air than by boat. We have plenty of 'overstayers' but they arrived with visas, legally.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 18 September 2008 11:31:20 AM
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Banjo says:
<<I would like to see your evidence that more illegals have arrived by air than by boat.>>

The evidence has been around for a long time. e.g. ABS Year Book 2004 noted the trend for 2001-02 when 1,210 unauthorised people arrived by boat, while 1,190 were refused entry at Australian airports.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1301.0Feature%20Article42004?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1301.0&issue=2004&num=&view=

The pattern then trended significantly towards unauthorised arrivals by air. The Immigration Department's Annual Report 2006-07 shows:

For the year 2004-05 there were just 16 unauthorised boat people and 2,058 unauthorised arrivals by air.

For 2005-06 the figures were 69 boat people and 1,995 air arrivals.
For 2006-07 the figures were 137 boat people and 1,678 air arrivals.

In addition, Immigration screening processes at airports produce many more would-be illegal entrants than at seaports. In 2005-06, 1598 people were refused entry at airports compared with 397 at seaports. The next year, 2006-07, the figures were 1, 388 at airports and just 290 at seaports.

http://www.immi.gov.au/about/reports/annual/2006-07/html/outcome1/output1_3_2.htm

These are all official figures, not a figment of my imagination.

They raise the question as to why the media and politicians seem fixated on the 'boat people' and rarely discuss the 'air people'?

I gave some tentative explanations in my earlier post (better photo opportunities, etc) .

I'd be interested in other people's opinions.
Posted by Spikey, Thursday, 18 September 2008 5:32:40 PM
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Sharkfin – You are right the Jews are the most racist group of people quite possibly the world has ever seen. Just because they are small and weak does not mean they believe in liberalism. The fact that they have a huge number of genetic diseases due to them preferring to marry their cousins then marry a native german/poles/hungarin is testimony to their nefarious and racist ideology. They lived in Europe for 1000 years and most never even bothered to learn the native language. Only in the last few generation have they actually bothered to learn it. And they complain that they are not treated equally and are treated as outsiders!

That’s the way they wanted it!

You reap what you sow!

I am part Jewish and even I know this! I cared for Jewish history as much as I cared about the history of Katmandu but after my mum told me I was part Jewish I took a bit more interest. I wish I had not now and feel quite humiliated at being associated in blood with such people but alas we all have our cross to bear.
Posted by EasyTimes, Thursday, 18 September 2008 7:31:08 PM
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