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Indonesia - a little bit of Arabia in the Indian Ocean : Comments
By Melody Kemp, published 25/7/2008With money pouring in from Wahabiist Saudi Arabia, the Islamist PKS (Prosperous Justice Party) is exerting enormous leverage among the poor in Indonesia.
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Posted by Ho Hum, Friday, 25 July 2008 10:41:51 AM
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Once again we have the reality that it is Wahabiist Saudi Arabia which we need to fear, not Iraq or Afghanistan. Remember that the majority of the 9/11 perpetrators came from Saudi Arabia and the Saudis are the ones who are financing the building of mosques all over the world.
David Posted by VK3AUU, Friday, 25 July 2008 12:49:56 PM
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Very good article. This is just another example of the growing influence and power of Islam. Notice that I did not say 'radical' Islam.
What we see is a return to the Islam of Mohammad and the so-called Four Righteous Caliphs that followed him. They took an idea and conquered half of the known world by the sword. They killed and subdued Christians, Jews, pagans, Hindus and Buddhists. They believed that Islam should rule the world and that infidels should submit or die. Anyone following Indonisian politics has seen a growing Islamic influence. Intolerance is increasing, even against minority Muslim groups. The same thing is happening in Malaysia, Turkey and Pakistan. The Islamic world, aware of its problems and inferiority, is seeking remedies on the pure islam of the 8th Century. The Islam of jihad. The Wahabis are spending billions of dollars to spread their message of hate and violence against nonm-Muslims (and pretending that it is not so with the help of "moderates" and stupid PC-Westerners). Worse yet, Muslims have found that violence gets them respect. Of course our Muslim friends here at OLO and in the West (the so-called moderates) deny the obvious. They, as usual, blame others for the actions of Muslims. They tell us these things are not the real Islam, even as they say "Praise be unto him," after the name of the man that killed, plundered, tortured, lied, enslaved, raped and even beat his wife. Watch and see. The future will not be nice. Radical Muslims kill, moderates make excuses and pretend these vile things have nothing to do with Islam. Kactuz Posted by kactuz, Saturday, 26 July 2008 2:41:50 AM
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What the fanatics fear most of all is the success and choices Muslim women and men are making and enjoying in the freedom of the new homes they now live in.They fear the liberal and advanced education the children and grandchildren of the emancipated liberal and educated Muslims. They know education and the use of clear and unfettered rational mind can expose the truth. What has Islam really offered the world in the way of products and medicines and scientific research? look at what the Hindos, Sikhs and Buddhist s have achieved.They put to shame the retarded iron age affiliates who are going backwards faszter and faster...and well they know it and that is why they are frantically playing games with the dispossessed and hungry in theur comminities.These poor devils are the new cannon fodder of the coming confrontation wit the free world. Oil and the revenues from oil are their only weapons.
socratease Posted by socratease, Saturday, 26 July 2008 9:42:39 PM
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Here is another look at this problem, from altmuslim.com, in an article called "Religion like breath" (Indonesia's religiosity is trending towards something narrow and shallow, advocating that everything should be clearly delineated as Islamic or not. As a result, anything without clear distinction is considered deviant)
http://www.altmuslim.com/a/a/b/2759/ Many Muslims in Indonesia are turning to radicalism (it gives them respect, that is, multicultural pc-based respect). They are focusing on the Muslim Ahmadiyya sect but also increasing targeting other religions. It is getting worse and it may happen that in a few years Australia's neighbor to the North will be in the hands of Islamic radicals. Of course, Australian Muslims will pretend this has nothing to do with Islam and will make the usual excuses. Oh yes, Irf often writes at altmuslim, but I have been banned from that site for years. Can't imagine why. http://www.kactuzkid.com/censored.html Still it is a good, "moderate" Muslim site, even if it just can't figure why Islam is so unjustly associated with terror. Kactuz Posted by kactuz, Sunday, 27 July 2008 6:21:03 AM
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We could petition the PM for some guns in the Defence cupboard?
Between the loss of the private firearms following the Pt Arthur shootings and what exists as "small numbers" for 2008 army, navy and airforce personnel...theres a hole. Nothing at all for a citizens home guard if one is suddenly called for. ...and the Islamics here softly whistle up to the Islamics in Indonesia with the call "we need your help down in Australia". A sudden change in the global military climate and the whistle gets obeyed. Australia becomes SOUTH IRIAN! Posted by Gibo, Sunday, 27 July 2008 4:37:10 PM
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And as Ziuddin Sardar quite rightly pointed out, if they were consistant with their adoration of the past, they would have to walk or ride camels, or an ass.
And fight their wars with swords and daggers. And not use any modern technology whatsoever, including electricity.