Gibo,
You are wrong about me being sexually immoral. The nudist movement is sexually nothing. Anyone exhibiting any type of sexual behaviour at a nudist club will be asked to leave.
You say that you've never met a Christian Nudist, well neither had I until I got involved in the movement. The fact is that for me and all my Christian nudist friends, Christ comes first in our lives.
Nowhere in the Bible in nudity condemned. If you think it is, please provide me with the chapter and verse, and I will respond. Believe me, we Christian Nudists have heard all the arguments against us before and know how to respond.
Your attack on me, that has now been deleted was unjustified as I had not even posted anything on this thread at the time of your post. Your are entitled to express your opinion, but if you want to attack my views (like I do with you) make sure it is justified, and in context with the discussion. I haven't always attacked you. Sometimes I have actually agreed with some of your comments although I provided alternative ideas.

For those who didn't see Gibo's original post, he was suggesting that I liked to expose myself to young innocent girls, and was suggesting that I was a paedophile.

I see Gibo as a very miserable, angry man who has had all the happiness sucked out of his life. He shows no love whatsoever towards his fellow man and he is caught up in a very legalistic brand of Christianity.

By the way Gibo, Christ was crucified naked. That was standard Roman proceedure of crucifixion. Most Bible Scholars will agree.

Ok, here it is Melinda Tankard Reist:

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"Why was it not mentioned that Melinda Tankard Reist is a prominent member of the Right to Life, and was an adviser to the former Senator Brian Harridane? She is approaching this topic on the basis of the Catholic church's opposition to any sex outside of marriage. It is dishonest journalism not to declare where panelists are coming from."
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Brian.................Harradine..............the most staunchly repugnant Catholic and rabidly anti-pornography, pro-censorship senator I can think of to have ever been in government recently.

So Melinda Tankard Reist is Catholic (or has connections and shared interests with them) Right-to-Life "feminist", chairing a:

"Women's forum", as described in Melinda Tankard Reist's profile. However none of this is disclosed by her here on OLO. And that my friends is deliberate concealment and private agendas the success of which is extreme considering this author's connections or prior connections to Brian Harradine (which I have not checked, but i checked the Right-to-Life connection) and his influence in politics.

Everything I have said about feminism and religion is correct and can be seen at play here. Now lets read Melinda Tankard Reist's profile here:

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Melinda Tankard Reist is a Canberra-based writer and researcher with a special interest in women’s health, new reproductive technologies and medical abuses of women. She is author of Giving Sorrow Words: Women's Stories of Grief after Abortion and Defiant Birth: Women Who Resist Medical Eugenics (Spinifex Press). Melinda Tankard Reist is a director of Women’s Forum Australia and editor of Faking It which can be obtained from
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Sounds 'nice' doesn't it? She has deliberately concealed in her description the information that is extremely important.

More of Melinda’s hysteria.

Parents are those in charge of arbitrating and administering what they feel is appropriate and in the best interests of their children, not “Child development experts, educators and women and girls’ advocacy groups,”

Parents can choose to ignore the pay-for-service advise of experts and the tax–for-service aspirations of bureaucratic know-alls.

A few years ago one of my daughters teachers complained about her reading Dolly, my response was, better Dolly than nothing at all.

If the way my daughter has turned out is any guide, there was no harm attributable from that magazine.

Better the government worked to support the parents of children than listen to a bunch of raving loons who get hysterical about everything and see sexualisation and sexual exploitation in everything

We will all suffer more from the dead hand of pointless government regulation, designed to arbitrarily control public taste (= stifling creativity and individual discretion), just like the Henson fiasco,

than being exposed to the “subjective” excesses of a few advertisers, the output of which can be readily quarantined through parents exercising their existing discretion.

US, wise observations to the double standard of Melinda Wowser & Co

Melinda

As a parent, educationalist and feminist who shares your same concerns at the damaging effects of advertising, both on young girls and more broadly, thank you again for having your finger on the pulse on this issue and for keeping us informed.

Col Rouge

"A few years ago one of my daughters teachers complained about her reading Dolly, my response was, better Dolly than nothing at all."

I presume that would have been your same response had she been reading The Manifesto or The Quoran?

Having being charged with your child's education, the teacher had every right to be concerned if he/she observed the shallow content of the likes of Dolly, as I have, elbowing out the reading of more meaningful and challenging material. Any teacher making such a complaint would have been acting out of justifiable concern and genuine interest in your daughter's education. For you to dismiss such advice so flippantly is typical of your arrogance.

"We will all suffer more from the dead hand of pointless government regulation ... than being exposed to the 'subjective' excesses of a few advertisers, the output of which can be readily quarantined through parents exercising their existing discretion."

How exactly are parents to 'quarantine' the advertising 'excesses of a few advertisers'? Do you envisage they monitor their children's exposure to advertising around the clock and step in when it seems excessive? Or do they prevent their children from reading magazines, watching television, attending movies, using the internet, listening to the radio, reading billboards and strolling through shopping malls? Get real, Col. How exactly can parents 'readily quarantine' advertising excesses? It's a total absurdity to suggest that marketeers should have free reign to advertise as they please, and that it's up to parents to somehow protect their children when advertisers overstep the mark. It's not the 'excesses of a few' that are at issue anyway, as much as it is the relentless insidious onslaught of the majority.

Bronwyn “Having being charged with your child's education, the teacher had every right to be concerned if he/she observed the shallow content of the likes of Dolly,”

Reading Dolly, as I said previously, is better than reading nothing, Bronwyn.

The practical art of reading is an acquired skill, not a natural one.

Anyway, Dolly or no Dolly, reading it got her into practice for reading house and mortgage contracts. She is about to buy her first investment property (already owns her own home (from age 21) and a bunch of share investments) and has the world at her feet.

“It's a total absurdity to suggest that marketeers should have free reign to advertise as they please”

So another bunch of wanna-be despots and public expense bureaucrats curbing the expression of once free folk into the straight-jacket of government prescribed and endorsed thinking.

No different to Hitlers treatment of Klimpt.

The dangers of "marketers having free-reign to advertise as they please"
offer far fewer 'dangers'

compared to the “morality, thinking and aesthetics police” you are proposing.

Actually the more recent parallel are the zealots of the Taliban and Iranians who made women cover themselves and destroyed the historic images of Buddha in Afghanistan, because such things offended their Muslim principles.

You are in good company Bronwyn.

“Get real, Col. How exactly can parents 'readily quarantine' advertising excesses?”

I found talking with my children always helped, making the advert the topic of critical analysis and discussing how we each felt about it.

Try it sometime, you might get to understand, yours is not the only view and ‘freedom of expression’ is only ever tested when we are required to tolerate other peoples (or “relentless insidious onslaught of the majority.”) equal right of ‘freedom of expression’ when we may personally disagree with it.

You quarantine them with private education and wisdom Bronwyn, as between parent and child. This is something that is no doubt an alien concept to you as a feminist who demands and expects state control.

I find it a little disappointing that knowing about Melinda's hidden agenda and deceit here on OLO and elsewhere has not altered your position -instead it seems to have strengthened it as you show no signs of disturbance or acknowledgement at her position within the heart of the feminist movement in Australia, unless perhaps you knew already, you did not read my comment above or you're simpy putting your head in the sand, repeating the thought, "At Any Price" to yourself.