I think that's pretty spot on antiseptic.

septic and suspect are you asserting that men always tell the truth and women always lie?

Not at all. Men and women both lie. The prmary carer will naturally have more opportunity to brainwash kids. Your constant use of 'Lala land' and 'imagination' of course shows you believe the idea that 'some parents may tell lies and teach their children to tell lies is fanciful. ' as atiseptic said.

MOG:"are you asserting that men always tell the truth and women always lie?"

Of course not. What a stupid question.

Usual Suspect and Antiseptic - you have obviously read W & W and been blown away?

My understanding from reading this case is that the mother was about to lose her three children to the abuser. Orders were made to this effect, at the eleventh hour it became known to the court that the father had admitted at relationship counselling to sexual abuse of the children.

Did the Judicial world tremble and shake at this horrendous miscarriage of justice? The court was about to send these children to a Paedophille full-time. Was there consternation and concern that other children may have suffered the same fate? Was a re-examination of a flawed system required?

Not at all, a bit of discussion about impartiality of court experts but no change. This judgement shows the kind of insanity that exists on a false belief system. The sheer complex mess that is made of this situation by liars and agendas and a self-reflecting legal system.

It's simple really, stand-up for the children. Find ways to get to the truth and help these children or step aside and let the adults who know how to fix this mess do their job.

There is a Judgment dated 1995 in which a little girl 2 1/2 years old spoke of sexual abuse. After two years of this little girl telling adults in detail, her mother lost an appeal to get the father to be supervised.

What would the consequences of supervision cost this father? what are the consequences of no supervision if this girl (heavens above) was telling the truth?

Think about that and think about all the children who suffer while people shout 'liar, liar'.

It is about valuing children. I read a quote recently which said: "if you don't stand for children, you don't stand for much".

There have long been concerns about the investigation of children's complaints of abuse by Family Courts. In recognition of the serious flaws in the system in 2002 the Family Law Council recommended a National Child Protection Service:
Recommendation 3 The objectives of the Child Protection Service should be:
1. To investigate child protection concerns and provide information arising from such investigation to courts exercising jurisdiction under the Family Law Act.
2. To ensure, in the course of its work, that children and families are not subjected to unnecessary investigation, assessment or stress.
3. To avoid unnecessary duplication of resources and effort in the investigation and determination of matters involving both family law and child welfare law issues.
4. To promote the development of a co-operative approach between State and Federal agencies in responding to concerns about child abuse and neglect.