Ericc “Comparing global warming with the Y2K bug or the hole in the ozone layer or the threat of a mini ice age is inappropriate.”

How inappropriately ‘inappropriate’?

Y2K was a hoot, made money out of it.

Ozone holes, an entire generation covered up in fear of being well done, when all they wanted was medium-rare on the beach.

A mini-ice-age and some even claim it is partially due to AGW.

Is that a bit of a bet each way or is it someone screaming out, pathetically, as the last of their finger nails snaps off and they fall into the abyss of incredulity?

As to “CO2 was 290ppm now its 390ppm and we are not slowing down for a second.”

Displacing what?

Any proven consequences (I am no longer taking theories, there are too many of them and are too discredited by their authors exaggerations)?

What happened after Krakatau or Mount St Helens volcanic eruptions?

Did those events alter global composition of the atmosphere?

Whilst I believe we should do everything to avoid pollution and industrial excesses, the zealots of climate change should recognise the biggest cause to AGW is the number of “A”s contributing to the problem.

Fix the population issue and all the problems disappear, without the need for the “socialism by stealth” of a carbon emissions tax.

I notice one claiming to be a scientist commenting on the “discernment on the part of the editor”.

If “scientists” expect to be the only ones to be heard on the topic they profess to being expert in, I find it hypocritical for said scientists to disparage the journalistic pursuits of the editors, as they pursue a craft which the scientists are, generally, ill-trained to execute.

As neither a scientist or journalist you can think of me what you will but

As a tax payer, I consider the impending consequence of supposed AGW and the imposition of an entirely artificial carbon trading tax

something which I insist on having a serious say

Rather than having my view railroaded by a bunch of (scientific or otherwise) egos on steroids.

Gecko: "Walking the streets of any city in Australia and you will find most people accepting the overwhelming scientific evidence of anthropogenic climate change."

The average bloke or blokette on the average street would not know didley squat about climate change or "global warming". To them, a hot day in summer is incontrovertible proof that the world will end soon, while a strangely cold day in any season has people looking at each other in astonishment.

The problem with "anthropogenic climate change" is that the evidence is far from "overwhelming", it's more along the lines of guesswork.

Hamilton mentions the word "denialist" (which is not even a word) 9 times in a total of 623 words. This childish attempt to link genuine scientific doubts about the computer models on which every single IPCC prediction rests to attempts to deny the existence of the Nazi inspired holocaust is pitiful in its logicality: on the one hand the holocaust is a historical fact of the past whereas on the other is PREDICTIONS about the future. The same logic applies to AIDS, tobacco and other despicable and malicious associations that the warmaholics have tried to associate genuine scientific debate about climate computer models with.

But I leave the best of Hamilton's own words for last:

"There I also explain why I do not presume to engage in arguments about climate science because I do not have the expertise to do so without making a fool of myself."

Prof Jon Jenkins

Citizens Electoral Council of Australia
Media Release 2nd of July 2008

Craig Isherwood, National Secretary
PO Box 376, COBURG, VIC, 3058
Phone: 03 9354 0544 Fax: 03 9354 0166
Email: cec@cecaust.com.au
Website: http://www.cecaust.com.au

Garnaut’s prescription to shut down Australian economy ignores 31,000 scientists

When the lying news media report the release of mining tycoon Ross Garnaut’s final climate change report this Friday, don’t expect them to admit that, to date, 31,072 scientists (9,021 with PhDs) have signed the Global Warming Petition Project [ http://www.petitionproject.org/ ] debunking the theory of manmade global warming.

However, the fact is that you’ll be hard-pressed to find many scientists subscribing to the theory pushed by Al Gore et al., despite any media perception to the contrary.

Al Gore has not bothered to counter this petition, probably because he knows most scientists around the world won’t buy his trashy pseudoscience. And besides, Gore and his ilk only require a few “scientists” to play the game, parroting their lines to a complicit media.

Carbon dioxide accounts for a mere 0.038% of the atmosphere by volume and as any geologist would know, 450 million years ago, when carbon dioxide levels were ten times higher than today (0.38%), the earth went into an ice age. More carbon dioxide should actually be welcomed—it will boost plant growth as numerous studies show.

That China has just had the coldest winter in a hundred years and that official satellite records show average global temperatures this year have been below the long-term average doesn’t seem to faze the global warming evangelists.

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Wittingly or not, green zealots like Gore are tools of the British financial oligarchy and their big media and corporate interests, who founded the green movement and fund environmental campaigns for population control.

In the face of rising petrol prices, a housing crisis and global economic turmoil, will Garnaut be callous enough to push for savage carbon cuts while ignoring 31,000 scientists? Chris Richardson, director of Access Economics has already given a taste for the pain to come: “The whole idea of carbon pricing is that if it doesn’t hurt it won’t work,” he told Canberra ABC radio on July 1.

How many extra people will catch pneumonia because they can’t afford the winter heating bill? How many sick and elderly people will die from heat exhaustion because they can’t afford to run their air-conditioner in summer? How many extra businesses will collapse with the rising costs? How many extra people will be victims of crime, given the economic turmoil? How many farmers will remain producing food? How much will the cost of food rise and will food shortages leave thousands starving to death?

And in a collapsing economy, the irony is that our environment will suffer. Evidence abounds in any third world nation—smell the stench of the air. Poor people drive old smoky vehicles, a poor nation does not have the resources to invest into the latest clean technology or basic infrastructure, and conditions exist for filth and disease as people struggle for mere existence.

This genocidal carbon policy must be stopped—even at this late stage—if not, look forward to a grim future.

For more information on the fraud of man-made Global Warming, click here. [ http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=global_warming&id=main.html ]
To receive a mailed copy of the April/May 2007 New Citizen, “Global Warming is a Fraud!”, click here. [ http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?id=free_GW_NC.html ]

Runner posted this doozy: "I really don't know why Spikey and others who hate free speech don't go and find a forum that confirms all their prejudices."

If it's not too much bother, runner, would you show OLO readers where I expressed a dislike for free speech. I thought I was making exactly the opposite case by asserting that OLO needs to lift its game.

As I said earlier today: "I expect to be abused for having my say today." But I didn't expect that having your say could be interpreted as hating free speech. Nor did I anticipate being told to shut up in the name of free speech!

You see what I mean by OLO needing to improve its standards?