Its interesting that the pro-war posts are the most aggressively written ones, and yet the most ignorant ("swirl" indeed), poorly thought out and the most packed with hyperbole.

What we need to do is strengthen international law and the UN and *ban* all war and incursion altogether. Does our federal government allow war to break out between our states and territories? No. We need to bring the world to the same condition over time. Why? Because if current technological trends continue, within about 20 years, the technologies available to even to poorest countries will enable them to obtain or build doomsday technologies with ease. The battle with Iran for example over nuclear weapons is really only delaying the inevitable. I suggest it would be better to work with these countries instead of strengthening their hatred and mistrust of us.

Kasperle you are merely showing the vicious thought patterns you adopted in your past. Ironic eh? If you admit this is a 'game' and that you have no concern for casualties inflicted on the enemy (especially the civilian ones), then you are admitting that the west and yourself are war criminals. War under those pretexts were used precisely by the nazis, and other terrible regimes from the past. Ok, so lets adopt your attitude for Australian life. You are the person who walks into the bar expecting and looking for a fight from the beginning and will readily enter into one at the slightest provocation. No one else wants to play your stupid game, except other criminals. What should we do about these criminals? Do they deserve the death penalty? Should they be purged from society? Or are you asking for the victims to tolerate your presence while being abused?

Still living in dreamland like most Australians over the last few decades.
Oh well.
I have no real desire to continue with this as your comments have become so stupid that I hesitate to give them any credibility.
But hey - keep believing in your world filled with laws and grace and at the end you will have war all over again.
That is he game and that is the reality and all your garbage will never change it.
In the mean time I will support the powers that maintain "MY" best world position and if that means that I am going to be called a war criminal by a naive dreamer like you then I will wear that badge with pride.

I hope that you have a real nice day now and if all goes well we will make sure even you can keep enjoying these good days - its a pity though that you have absolutely no self respect and just take without sacrifice. That shows a real man, now does't it!

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>>”-consider 40000 people die in road accidents in the US YEARLY. Do we declare war on GM, Ford etc?

You can’t see the difference between a terrorist organization levelling a couple of city blocks and taking 4000 lives in the process; and accidents on the roads?? Seriously?? The cost of that attack to the western world is almost immeasurable. Suffice to say that it is in the trillions of dollar. You also entirely overlook the issue of intent. Do you think an accident is the same as deliberate act?

>>” Are you suggesting we should have declared ware on the Palestinians because PLO extremists of the Munich massacre”

This is a red herring. Israel is not our closest ally and the US asked for our assistance. Further if you can’t see the difference between the deaths of 11 people in a hijacking gone wrong, and the deaths of 4000 during a catastrophic attack on the great cities of the US, there is something wrong.

>>” Has our involvement in the political (ideological) War (sic) on Terror achieved anything “

There has not been another attack on the US since 9/11. The Iraqis have thrown off the worst, most brutal dictator in the region and now have a chance at democracy. We have defeated aLQaeda in Iraq in conjunction with our allies.

The Taliban have been pushed back and with proper support from NATO we can win in that country as well. The Taliban’s opium policy was for public consumption only and did not stem the flow of opium from the country.

>>”- Until we bought into the fight we weren’t on the terrorist radar.

So What? Do we make public policy based upon our fear of being targeted by terrorists? No Thanks, the Spanish have gone down that road and done themselves a grave disservice into the bargain.

>>” Calling Al K an army fails to comprehend its real structure and motivation, “

AlQaeda in Afghanistan before 9/11 was definitely an army. It had logistics and training bases, soldiers and heavy weapons dotted around the country.

TBC,

This is not about whether the UN is satisfactory, nor whether the Iraq situation is right or wrong. It's about due process for an activity that is expected to lead to loss of life.

The way I see it - war, or warlike activity is a significant departure from the status quo, and should require (to initiate it) the word of more than one person.

We should remember here that at a given point in time, it is quite possible that the majority of people of Au may NOT be in support of the PM. And that the PM may not be from a party that you or I prefer.

So... I would support a move to limit the PM powers in this sense while providing some ability to take emergency short-term defensive action of limited scope or duration.

cont,

I have noted above that we have beaten AlQaeda in Iraq with help from the locals. We won’t win by focusing only on the military aspects, but we won’t win by not fighting either

>>”There is a ‘Just War’ doctrine by the UN which neither war fulfils its requirements.

And yet the UN is involved in both conflicts. How do you explain that? There are no UN resolutions against the war. Quite the contrary

>>I DID NOT advocate appeasement or passivism only a measured and a response that had a chance of success”

I didn’t accuse you of those things either; maybe you should read my posts before commenting.

SAMS,

>> Its interesting that the pro-war posts are the most aggressively written ones, and yet the most ignorant, poorly thought out and the most packed with hyperbole.

I beg your pardon. “Poorly thought out and packed with hyperbole” says the person who thinks we should “BAN” wars. Like, why didn’t we think of that, dude. How might we enforce that ban, by the way?? Sanctions ??

>>” Does our federal government allow war to break out between our states and territories?”

WTF?? ?? ALLOW? So the reason wars don’t break out during the state of origin series is because the Federal Gov’t refuses to ALLOW it to happen?? Really?? It wouldn’t be that we are fairly homogenous bunch with no real issues to fight about, by any chance??

>>”it would be better to work with these countries instead of strengthening their hatred …”

This is a popular misconception of the left, that we are the cause of hatred and mistrust. It wouldn’t be that Iran’s theocratic regime actually hates the west because it represents everything that is wrong with the world in their eyes?? It wouldn’t be that they are trying to export their Islamic republic by any means at their disposal??

Acceding to all their demands wouldn’t make them like us any more than they currently do.The US has been attempting to strike up a dialogues with Iran for 30 years and have been rebuffed every single time.