Hi Ludwig,

Thanks for replying, yeh, I agree on nudity too actually, I hate wearing clothes! Also totally with you on kids not being harmed in any form.

Where I disagree is the *only if it is art or just in art gallerys* angle. As I said before, it’s odd that artists are seen as spiritual or more wise in some way. Giving them a special licence to *explore little girls* is such a bad mistake.

Artists are (I love a good generalizing ) a bit of motley crew of drunkards, rebels, misfits and depressives etc. A lot of their social comment or psychological insight should just be between them and a therapist … In short, even though I am one and as much as I love them, it is not a profession brimming with love, happiness and general wellbeing.

Most art is somehow dark, cynical or in some form negative, Hensons’ work being a prime example, it is dark creepy moody stuff. The general rant being is *beauty in the darker parts of life bla bla*. For a start this *darkness* is an adult concept, but mostly, what ever profession it child abuse

The other thing about Alison's faux-argument for Bill is that some of the galleries she cites have banned Henon's kiddie photo stuff because they're illegal in those jurisictions!

A major ISP has also apparently pulled the plug on some web-sites to keep on the right side of federal statutes in the USA. So it isn't really a freedom of speech issue, as such.

UNCRC, if you think a naked child is inherently pornographic then you are a pedophile.

meredith>"For a start this *darkness* is an adult concept, but mostly, what ever profession it child abuse"

So you object to the darkness? Grow up. The 13 year old model is more mature than you are.

Well the 13 year old model is only allowed to market naked images via the internet, if Bill gets to be her pimp, this so called agency only orks if Bill is cast in the rle of Child Erotica Laureate for Australia.

Alison Croggon's contempt for UN mandated values, is self-evident, as for Bill, he is still stuck in the middle of 'Silence of the Lambs', or whatever corpse-chic thing he is reading at the moment.

I assume he gets his corpse, zombie, ideas from somewhere.

UNCRC.

"Among international collections, his work is held in the Solomon R Guggenheim Museum, New York; the Victoria and Albert Museum, London; San Francisco Museum of Modern Art; the Los Angeles County Museum of Art; the Denver Art Museum; the Houston Museum of Fine Art; 21C Museum, Louisville; the Montreal Museum of Fine Art; Bibliothèque Nationale in Paris; the DG Bank Collection in Frankfurt and the Sammlung Volpinum and the Museum Moderner Kunst, Vienna."

How many of them have done his naked kiddie thing? Let me give you an old world bit of advice,

if a photographer, or a technical artist, is going to compare himself to Caravaggio or Michelangelo,

then he better be as talented as Orson Welles, because anything less than that, looks like a dfective ego the size of a planet.

Bill's bizarre 'Silence of the Lambs' fetish stuff is prohibitd in more places in the USA & Europe than are prepared to exhibit it.

He is not Caravaggio

UNCRC