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The threat of global food shortages - part one : Comments
By Peter Timmer, published 3/6/2008Hoarding by countries and speculative bidding on food exacerbate scarcity and cause prices to climb.
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Posted by johncee1945, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 11:51:41 AM
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'The recovery of Australia’s wheat crop, currently being harvested, has caused a significant decline in wheat prices since early April.'
I think it incorrect. Australia has still not planted much of it's wheat crop. We harvest November December. It was the expectation of a better harvest this year that may have helped drive world prices down. In any case it does show the importance of Australia's wheat exports to the global food supply. It also demonstrates that if Australian crop prospects can impact world grain prices any decision to convert grain to ethanol in Australia will have the same effect, to increase prices with the flow on effects to the poor of this world Posted by Goeff, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 2:46:41 PM
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There is no food shortage.
Over 1 billion of Earth's human inhabitants suffer from obesity. And that's just the food that gets eaten. What about the food that doesn't? Research has found that the global community dumps over 50 million tons of unused food each year to landfills. It has been estimated that the world population throws away 700 million slices of bread and other huge quantities of bakery goods, meat and fish, ready-made mixed food and unopened dairy products each and every year. This is equivalent to them throwing away one in three of every shopping bag of food they purchase. The food debate (as with the energy debate) should focus squarely on the demand side of the equation before putting a priority on new production. Talk about needs first. Only then we can talk sensibly about supply issues. Posted by gecko, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 3:20:58 PM
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gecko says "that the global community dumps over 50 million tons of unused food each year to landfills."
But there is a necessary cause and that is, to keep food prices high to generate profits. Or the opposite, flood the world market to bankrupt some countries, particularly trade rivals. In the US with the science and technology available today, some states could easily produce enough to satisfy the worlds population, maybe even a few times over. But what happens? Farmers are subsidised not to grow wheat or rice in order to keep profits high. Irrespective of a billion people globally that verge on starvation yearly. During the 1930's depression in the US and here petrol and oil were regularly placed on the tips and ignited where food was dumped so that people would not get it for free. This is the anarchy of the market and profits. Posted by johncee1945, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 4:18:22 PM
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Food prices are high (in relative terms) because oil prices are
high. Oil producers are cashing in an extra 1 trillion$ a year or so from consumers. They can easily pay the 50 billion needed, to lower food prices for the poor. If oil prices stay high and food prices drop, due to the higher cost of production, farmers will stop growing food in the first place. That is exactly why we have a problem now. In many areas of the world, it was simply not worth growing food anymore, as dumped susbidised products put local growers out of business Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 4:31:19 PM
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Yet another article on food shortages that forgoes the opportunity to talk about population growth, with only a fleeting mention of “fears of Malthusian crises”.
Peter Timmer refers to rice shortages in The Philippines. A recent article in The Australian reported that The Philippines has the highest birth rate in Southeast Asia and annual population growth of more than 2 per cent, double the regional average. The nation's population swelled to 88.6 million last year, or an annual increase of almost two million. Despite a slowing of growth, 12 million people have been added to the population since 2000. The poorest families are having six or seven children. One third of the population lives on less than one US dollar a day. A former health minister, Alberto Romualdez, has warned that the population could reach 100 million in five years if the President keeps requiring that the state follow Catholic Church teaching against artificial birth control. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23570024-2703,00.html No wonder they’re having problems with food shortages. Isn’t it time we started talking about the impact of population growth? It’s the poorest countries that are going to bear the brunt of this impact as this is where growth continues to occur. (The UN report World Population Prospects suggests that, if recent fertility rates remain constant, the population of the developing world could grow to 10.6 billion by 2050.) This article in Time – What Condoms Have to do with Climate Change – is one of the relatively few articles I’ve come across which discusses this issue: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1739253,00.html Developed countries have to acknowledge and address their over-consumption, but shouldn’t developing countries also consider the impact of their growing populations? It’s time the issue of population growth was put high on the climate change agenda, along with a lot of other things previously overlooked by the flawed Kyoto Protocol (e.g. forest protection). It should be a major consideration in the post-2012 climate change agreement. Posted by Elizabeth Hart, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 8:54:38 PM
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*It’s time the issue of population growth was put high on the climate change agenda, *
Elizabeth, you are absolutaly correct! I have argued for a long time on OLO, that the pope should be charged with environmental degradation :). Fact is the Catholics still openly promote ever increasing population numbers, under various names. They are great lobbyists, I grant them that. http://www.prolife.org.ph/page/population_control Fact is also that our politicians and politicians the world over are generally too gutless to touch the subject, as Catholic politicians can be found in most Govts and they are regularly lobbied by the tentacles of the Vatican. I guess they won't get their ticket to heaven, if they don't take notice of what the old farts in Rome are saying. All very sad really. Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 9:22:06 PM
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I am not overly concerned about population growth, but nonetheless am sympathetic to the idea that governments should (at the very least) not encourage unnecessary population growth. To that end, it seems reasonable to (a) scrap the baby bonus (b) remove all child care subsidies and (c) don't introduce compulsory parental leave.
Savings can be returned to taxpayers who can then use the money to meet rising food and petrol prices. Posted by ed_online, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 11:10:51 PM
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Thanks for the link Yabby…
It is truly frightening that undemocratic and sexist religious institutions are still able to wield such power over women’s (and men’s) options to control their fertility. I appreciate there is controversy about abortion, but even contraception is forbidden. Whilst individual Catholics in developed countries might have the confidence and ability to take their own licence on the issue of contraception, this is obviously more difficult in countries like The Philippines where the Church has more overt power. As for the "climate change agreement", mainstream discussion is too narrowly focused on "global warming" and the impact of fossil fuel emissions. Whilst this is important, other serious environmental and sustainability issues seem to have received scant attention or action (e.g. deforestation and population growth). This needs to change. We need a new global agreement that encompasses climate change and other environmental and sustainability issues. Posted by Elizabeth Hart, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 11:12:03 PM
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“even contraception is forbidden. Whilst individual Catholics in developed countries might have the confidence and ability to take their own licence on the issue of contraception, this is obviously more difficult in countries like The Philippines where the Church has more overt power.”
Well said, Elizabeth. The lack of choice demanded by the Vatican’s present (and immediate past) head, and local disciples, is a terrible imposition upon the Philippines,Timor L’Este, etc.. The link provided by Yabby illustrates the extent of disinformation that the current Bishop of Rome is prepared to go to in prostitution of the truth: the rate of excessive births has been declining somewhat, but population increase continues at the expense of civilized society, and by mining environmental capital. But the Catholic Church is not monolithic on this matter. A large percentage of that faith hold different, non-fundamentalist, views on the subject of individual choice regarding fertility. Paul Collins gives a coherent discourse on this issue in his current book “Believers”. Until such rational thought can be brought to prominence in the Catholic Church, and in other religious persuasions of current antediluvian tendency, food and nutrition availability in adequate quantity will always be ephemeral at best. There is no real hope for societies prevented from choice in matters of fertility. Posted by colinsett, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 9:57:34 PM
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*A large percentage of that faith hold different, non-fundamentalist, views on the subject of individual choice regarding fertility.*
Very true indeed, but they are mere followers and don't make the decisions. Its the power of a few old men in Rome that is the problem. If they were like Paul Collins, life would be a breeze! But they are not and the suffering and misery they cause in the third world, is a scandal. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3147672.stm The BBC's Panorama did a programme on this, the transcript of which is available from the above URL. It tells a bit about what is going on in the third world. Women who have already had 7-8 kids, denied the snip, because of course the Catholics also control a huge number of hospitals. If women in the third world, had choices like women in our world, we certainly would not be facing an extra 80 million a year in population increase. The Vatican do everything in their power to avoid this happening. It has little to do with their flock of believers, just old men drunk with power in Rome. Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 10:29:54 PM
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Maybe the 1/4 acre block was not an archaic concept after all. Who is surprised?
Those of us who do not live in units can at least grow some food most of the year in our backyards. Isn't it disturbing Elizabeth, to note that Australia appears hell bent on importing their own over population problem, as if we do not have enough emerging problems already? Re Kevin07 and his increasing migration over Mr Howard, who increased migration after P Keating who (I don't know for sure) but probably -- increased migration. More good news the NSW government has opened up scarce fertile ground for housing in North Western Sydney. The odour of stamp duty is too irresistible. Is it possible to list good top soil as endangered? I have faith that the free market will provide the goods but did you see the Cuban market gardeners who make more money than lawyers and doctors? Land made vacant by urban decay and socialism has been turned into farms. Manual labor appears to be the standard practise. American farmers have been paid to not grow crops for many years -- called the land bank. Posted by Cowboy Joe, Sunday, 8 June 2008 11:55:11 PM
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What must be taken into consideration is the politicians and trade union bureaucrats globally are driving wages downwards and backwards. Even a large section of the middle class are being driven backwards. (whilst the politicians are overflowing their own pockets) At a certain stage this process will have disasterous consequences.