One problem in discussing genocide is the analogy to the Nazis. If we stop thinking of the Nazis as uniquely evil or inhuman but recognise that they expanded xenophobia which, as far as I know, all of us have to some degree beyond reasonable limits.

I have heard Nazi Germany referred to as atheistic, and Hitler's Christianity denied. Since Hitler was raised as a Catholic, signed a concordat with the Vatican and was never excommunicated he died a Christian. The Christian churches in Germany in general supported Nazi Germany. This is not to condemn Christianity but to point out that what happened in Germany could have happened in any Christian or any non-Christian country given similar historical circumstances.

The Nazis were human. I believe genocide can be committed by any national or ethnic group, and any national or ethnic group can be the victim.

Instead of useless rambling about the meaning of 'genocide'and living in the past, let's get on with life the way it is now.

IMPORTANT QUESTION:

"What the heck is Moses on about?" .. er..what does he 'want'?

His last sentence:

<<but pondering the lives of others is the first step towards a less self-centered historical understanding>>

HUH? that's 'it'? all this woffle about definitions of Genocide .. just so we can be less selfish?

NOT A CHANCE..... Dirk is trying to fry a much bigger fish than just making us less selfish. He is attacking our position in history, raising our guilt levels, undermining our confidence in the present reality.. 'gutting' any sense of legitimacy in our present historical standing.. presenting "International Law" as our new messiah, and pretty much echoing most of the leftoid tripe which is regularly trotted out at 'rent-a-crowd' protests.

His message in my view is quite seditious, but not violently so. While he does not suggest people take up arms to establish 'International Socialism' and a one world government of the proletariat... he is simply doing the groundwork.

CULTURAL GENOCIDE ... and Dirk is at the forefront of trying to eliminate any sense of self worth held by the present Australian citizenry.

According to the UN definition of "Genocide" which Dirk presents:

<<(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part>>

Could one of those conditions be.... inflicting a sense of guilt and self loathing on a population to the point where people lose the desire to be or do anything significant because they are haunted by dark and gruesome ghosts of past sins?

What a pity Dirk's surname is 'MOSES'.. because his historical forebear was more of a Savior than a "Satan" type.

Notice how Dirk simply 'raises a question' at the end ?

How did Satan deceive Eve ? well...he just raised a question:

"Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

At the risk of being accused of "me too ism", I must say that on this occasion I agree with Boaz. At the end of the day, Moses has accomplished little. What has been done, is done. We must move on, and not only that, we must encourage others who have been disadvantaged to move on, with our help. We need to have guilt. What was done in the past, was often done with the best of intentions. Often the outcomes were also good, in spite of what "Bringing them home" might suggest.

David

Yes, Boaz, I was a bit confused about what Dirk Moses was actually about.

I am not absolutely sure that DM’s message is about ‘inflicting a sense of guilt and self loathing’ but I do agree that some groups in Australia try to do exactly that. I do not believe such groups are concerned about the best interests of Australia or the Australian Aboriginal people. Their primary concern is themselves and how good it makes them feel to be so righteous. Guilt is a tool used by bullies to ‘beat’ others into submission. While I believe it is important and appropriate to acknowledge the truth about what has happened in the past I abhor the attempt by some groups to dump baggage on the current generation of white Australians. They either cannot see or do not care that what they are doing is damaging to all Australians and (ironically) racist.

Good god, why does OLO continue to publish these vile race-baiters masquerading as historians? I have a much fuller critique of the whole cabal of Communist postmodernists and their pornographic obssession with "genocide," which I will try to get published.

Kiernan bowdlerises the ancient Greek poet Hesiod and the Roman historian Livy. Kiernan then neglects to discuss the literature that IS relevant particularly Herodotus and Thucydides. The abuse of Greek and Roman historians and writers is at the core of the genocide porn merchants ideological project. Check out Curthoys and Docker's misunderstanding and misrepresentation of Herodotus and Thucydides in their <i>Is History Fiction?</i>

The abuse of Hesiod and Livy revealed a remarkably mean understanding of not only ancient writers and genre conventions but ancient history itself. It is perplexing that an academic working at Yale could have been allowed to publish such a long analysis on such a sophomoric level. One wonders if he actually gave any of his colleagues drafts to review!

Dirk Moses conveniently omits Kiernan's section on the Bathurst Plains of NSW. It is a scandal, and Kiernan showed no awareness that post-Windschuttle, even Henry Reynolds now concedes that Tasmania would not qualify as a “genocide” even by today’s standards.

It is almost canonical among these academics that there is a direct line from the 8th century BC fields of Attica to the ovens of Auschwitz and that the nadir of human civilisation was 18th century England and its export of evil liberalism!

The silence that screams from all these Commie genocide porn merchants is that "genocide" is much more a product of Marxist ideology than is - the revolting argument of Culture Stdies leftist John Docker - British liberal democracy! The stuff these people pump out is obscene and is like a cancer in the universities.

When Moses, Kiernan and their Commie mates - Ann Curthoys, John Docker, Tony Barta, Lyndall Ryan, blah - start a campaign to arrest and try the leaders of Hamas for “conspiracy to commit genocide” maybe THEN they will have some credibility.