Logic,

It is a matter of fact that Israel was created as a result of the holocaust. It is even mentioned in the Israeli Declaration of Independence.

The prior existence of Jewish communities in Palestine does not change this. It is the creation of Israel not the prevalence of Jews in the region that is raised.

Passy

"The creation of Israel was an act of genocide against the Palestinians."

How can it be an act of genocide when the Palestinian population is increasing? Genocide means wiping out of a group. That is not happening. Israel is not trying to kill all the Palestinians. Israel allows Muslims in the parliament even makes one of them a Cabinet Minister. That view is nonsense.

The Canberra Times is a very anti-Israeli newspaper. Kevin Bray is wrong. Read the Australian for a more balanced and accurate viewpoint. When you compare populations what is defined as the borders of Palestine? Israel only includes a portion of what was sometimes called Palestine. Those sorts of figures are meaningless on their own. Some parts of Palestine had majority Jewish populations, including Jerusalem. Then add up to a million Jews pushed out of Muslim lands, plus the Christians and others pushed out as a result of Islamic ethnic cleansing, and you have an entirely different proposition. Many of these others religious groups found refuge in Israel which gives citizen rights to people of all faiths.

The rest of Palestine was occupied after an they waged war on Israel with the stated object of exterminating it. Of course the Israelis occupied it just as the allies occupied Germany and Japan. Except that those countries realised their bad mistake and made friends. Fanatics wanting the whole world to follow Mohamed just continued with their quest, destroyed their economy, encouraged children to commit suicide murders and fired rockets at Israel and generally made life a misery for everyone including their own people. Arafat, an Egyptian, became leader and put the people's money in his own bank account. Children's TV programs showed the glories of suicide in the name of Islam, while a pathetic excuse for an education system produced maps without Israel. This was all done by Arafat and then Hamas.

I an sorry for the Palestinians, but the blame for their plight is with the Arab world, and no one else.

Lev

Have you heard of the Balfour declaration? Hopefully you realise that it long preceded WW2.

And what about the Jews and others pushed out of Arab lands as a result of Muslim ethnic cleansing? Egypt, Lebanon, Morocco, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Yemen etc etc. Ancient pre-Islamic communities of Christians, Jews etc. As I said, and you don't wish to hear, almost a million Jews, who now make up about one half of the Jewish section of Israel's population. Not to mention the Baha'i, Druze, Samaritans and some of the Christians who found refuge in Israel.

And why shouldn't there be a prevalence of Jews in the region? What is wrong with that? They are civilised, they don't force other religious groups to build their Mosques or Temples smaller than the Synagogues, they don't proselytize and their religious beliefs grants that all good people can go to heaven regardless of their beliefs. They give everyone an equal vote in a democratic Parliament. Australia has a prevalence of Christians, Lebanon has managed to convert a Christian majority into a Muslim one. Do you also object to that?

Yes, I have a copy of the Balfour Declaration in an Arab-Israel documentary reader. It states the British government supports the establishment of a homeland for Jews in Palestine, which I support. It seems hard for some people but they don't seem to be understand the distinction between a Jewish homeland in Palestine and a Jewish state of Israel.

I am not sure what relevance my opposition to anti-Judiasm in Arab Muslim countries is supposed to do with this, or why the religious makeup of Israel is supposed to be relevant here.

I am simply addressing the claim that the State of Israel was created as a consequence of the holocaust. As I said, this is a matter of fact and the Israeli Declaration of Independence even states this it.

I am a little surprised by your opposition to this. It strikes me as rather like opposing evolution or denying gravity.