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Romancing the ban: censorship of porn will never work : Comments

By Sebastian Strangio, published 10/3/2008

We are deluded if we think that by banning porn sexual violence will evaporate overnight.

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Lev, dispite the seriousness of the issue there is a funny side to this. Religious fundies spend so much time carrying on about sexual deviancy and blaming all sorts of things (such as porn) without being able to produce evidence of a causal relationship.

When a parenting behaviour is found that should be fairly easy to largely eradicate and which appears to have a strong causal relationship to sexual violence and sexual deviancy religious fundies are likely to be the staunchest defenders of the right to continue the behaviour.

The issues which I'm aware of which have been positively identified as contributing to adult sexually deviant behaviour are
- child sexual abuse
- spanking (assuming Straus is being honest and competent)

Use of violent porn and other stuff is more likely a symptom rather than a cause.

We have laws against child sexual abuse and as a society put a lot of effort into trying to eradicate (maybe not always as well as we should).

If Straus's work is accepted then the time will come when smacking will be one of those things we look back on wondering why we once accepted it. The frontline of the fight for the right to turn children into sexual deviants will probably be religious fundies who believe they are instructed by their god to beat their children.

What irony.

If we want to reduce the occurance of sexual violence we need to clearly identify the causes and work to remove them rather than focussing efforts on issues which are not proven to be causal.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 5:59:52 PM
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Lev

I would fully endorse the discipline mentioned in Proverbs provided it is applied with love. My children all received a spanking when needed and have grown up drug free, respectful of authority and useful citizens. They have achieved very well academically and in every other area of life. Due largely to the grace of God and some firm discipline when needed (not much as they grew older) I have seen God's word proven to be totally true. My wife and I were by no means perfect parents but we did love our kids to much not to discipline them.

As far as research is concerned it is what people read into it that I dislike. Just like you selectively have quoted passages of the bible on discipline without mentioning love which is the over riding message of the bible.

The so called facts you refer to are normally peoples interpretation of figures. One might argue that a certain ethnic group is over represented in prison. Without the data on how much crime that group commits these facts are useless. The porn industry plucks figures and
builds a case in order to defend their perversion. It's like hiring a evolutionist to have an honest scientific approach to testing the unproven theory by science. It fails dismally.

There is still no person or organization that comes close to matching the Lord Jesus Christ when it comes to truth. 2000 years on His wisdom is still unmatchable.

I find the assaults by clergymen as despicable if not more despicable than you. I am in favour of castration for repeat offenders. You are however dishonest again in implying that the sex industry does not exploit children. How many Aussies travel to Asia to visit the 'sex industry'. I suspect the numbers are in the thousands each year. These deviants are into internet porn and then into poor unfortunate kids. The practice has had a blind eye turn towards it because many Government officials have been involved in the deviant sex industry.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 7:26:44 PM
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After reading the first two comments I had to make a response. Where do all these people that hate pornography and believe all the feminist tripe come from?

Really. It's like a child who has been reared in the 19th century to believe anything above the ankle is obscene and vulgar. Get over it. Seriously.
Posted by Steel, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 2:01:13 AM
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runner,

You consider violence against children (there are other forms of discipline, you know), to be OK because it is sanctioned in Proverbs, despite the fact that over 100 studies now suggest that it a key factor in causing future relationship violence and mental health problems.

You claim love is the overwhelming message of the Bible? Read it more closely. Even being generous that's a minority message; the main message is follow orders or be punished ... and others remember the crazy stuff e.g., http://www.cracked.com/article_15699_9-most-badass-bible-verses.html).

No person or organisation matching Jesus? He was a nice guy, especially for his times, but when it comes to a breadth of message and moral content, The Trail and Death of Socrates by Platon, some four hundred years prior is much more sophisticated, meaningful, and practical without needing magic.

Evolution fails dismally? At what? There are over 50 observed and recorded instances of macro-speciation, it is recognised by every public university in the world, and is recognisted through natural selection, genetic drift and gene flow? And what do you think is the alternative? What would it take to convince you that evolution is a fact? (I'm waiting for you to avoid this for the fourth time).

Also, answer the question that I posed previously, if you have the intellectual courage. "Sex tourism" to countries with a weak or unenforced regulative environment has nothing to do with what was asked. Trivial"bait and switch" techniques will be ignored.

Ezhil,

The claim that "earlier man could not have done this kind of uncivilised practices as there were no such gadgets" is wrong. From the earliest times there has been erotic art across all cultures in whatever media available. This will continued. cf.,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerne_Abbas_giant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_art_in_Pompeii_and_Herculaneum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Museum%2C_Naples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Modi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunga
Posted by Lev, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 5:24:49 PM
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Lev

Your equating corporal discipline as violence is a joke. The 100 studies you refer to no doubt tell a small part of a fabricated story (if they exist). Parents who don't discipline appropriately are the child abusers. By observation I have seen that well loved and disciplined kids are far more secure than kids without discipline (corporal and otherwise).

You obviously read into the bible what you want to read. You are not foolish enough to believe that true love comes from man are you?

You also know that their is so much shame with the sex industry that people don't even use their own names. Many from this industry have ended in prison (often on drug charges) but of course have prostituted their bodies under different names. The industry is so sleazy that child abuse would not even turn most of the profiteers heads!
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 6:40:35 PM
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Evolution without a doubt, has a profound affect on our minds of the people of today. All of what our forefathers had experienced, is with us and now these thoughts are fighting against man kind in our new evolutionary position. You could say, we are cleaning up our act.

Before the bible, people were having sex with anything and every thing, and like I have said before, the bible was the type of law and order. The woman's body has been idolised in figure and worship and as is seen as the sole of fertility and pleasure. The idol or figure illustrated in your links, was seen as a good bet, considering the fact, a large woman, in times of hardship, as the most likely the one to insure the child's survival. How times have changed.

In short, Do you really think, that someone who watches porn, is going to run next door and commit an act of indecencies, come on! there going to run for the bathroom for a jar of vaso.lo
Posted by evolution, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 7:01:03 PM
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