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Mission impossible : Comments

By Alan Moran, published 25/2/2008

Professor Garnaut barely scratches the surface in recognising the enormousness of the task needed to reduce CO2 emissions by 90 per cent.

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Yes, Q&A the problem is so complex that the likes of myself cannot
make much contribution.
However, while the IPCC wants to insist that the science is settled
there are many very qualified people in the appropriate sciences that
are saying it is not settled.

However one point, no one has produced a graph, as I requested, that
shows radiation transmission vs atmospheric CO2 for 0 to 1000 ppm.

When I see the graph that shows close to a straight line around 400ppm
then I might believe in man caused global warming.

I don't think that is an unreasonable request.
If it does not exist then man made global warming probably does not
exist, or it has already reached the point where any further CO2 will
have no noticeable effect.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 1 March 2008 8:42:04 AM
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We have had the coldest winter in decades. The US National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration have said that in January 2007 the 13 million sq km in the polar ice caps of the Artic had shrunk to 4 million sq km however are almost back up to 13 million again this year January 2008.
In the Antarctica there is now nearly one third MORE ice than is usual for THIS time of year (ie January 2008).

There is no such thing as global warming.
Mr Gore, please retire.
Aussie top 200 listed companies; please remove the global warming hype from your intranet for staff and also remove from all your internet and public relations material please.
Posted by Webby, Saturday, 1 March 2008 10:41:54 AM
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Bazz, I have seen charts and evidence that shows that most CO2 associated atmospheric warming occurs up to 50ppm, the relationship is non-linear and projected increases in CO2 will have little warming effect. If I can track it down, I'll post it.

In a submission to Garnaut, the Lavoisier Group noted that since 1998 lower tropospheric have remained steady or dropped slightly while CO2 concentrations increased by 4 per cent. In addition, the IPCC modellers' results show, and dependent on, tropospheric warming in tropical latitudes, which has not occurred as predicted.

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/articles/GarnautFinalSubmission.pdf
Posted by Faustino, Saturday, 1 March 2008 2:19:52 PM
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Webby, I suggest you look at the graph at
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.jpg
particularly look at the trend of the minima.

Looks like a strong possibility of global warming to me.

I hope you don't live at the seaside.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Saturday, 1 March 2008 8:14:29 PM
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No problems at Maroubra Beach.
Last two nights in Sydney have been a bit chilly.
These nightmare scenarios are for people into political correctness and unreasonable people who are without faith in God.

Back in the 1970s a global ice-age was all the rage.

All lies, all futile fear.
Smile and get yourself to Holy Mass Sunday morning.
For those who have inordinate fears, usually do not beleive in God's Providence which means that at their core are without faith in God and do not believe in God.
Posted by Webby, Saturday, 1 March 2008 11:24:08 PM
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Webby, any inordinate fear arises from ignorance, from not understanding that the essence of life is change, that we suffer from not accepting what is, from craving "good" experiences and having aversion to "bad" experiences, from seeking to control the world rather than realising that it is beyond our control. Whether or not there is accelerated global warming, we know there is happiness, we know there is suffering, we know that this will continue to be the case, let's learn to deal with it. (The latter is a general remark for all rather than a comment on/for Webby per se.)
Posted by Faustino, Monday, 3 March 2008 7:48:48 PM
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