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Ripe for a revolution : Comments

By John Passant, published 21/2/2008

With millions unemployed and corruption endemic, the politically repressed Chinese working classes will be the engine of a socialist revolution.

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Keep in mind the importance of comparison, in the emergence of societal thinking.
China, with decades of the rigidity of totalitarian control, is now exposed to a degree of alternative societies such as the West, and closer to home, the outstanding economic and capitalist successes of Taiwan.
Whilst in Taiwan last year, I was interested in exploring the mindsets of both the Minchintang, the then Democratic Progressive Party government, and the opposition Kuomintang followers.
Within both, I found strong political (policy in the truest sense of the word) differences, but also a bonding of fellowship with their mainland Chinese brothers.
China resents Taiwan's success from the time that Chiang Kai Shek's Kuomintang cast the nation off from the Communist mainland, and probably also resents that the 20 million population is thriving, progressing, and independent.
The comparison must surely be striking to the vast numbers of mainlanders who see an alternative society so close offshore.
China's present trade expansion with capitalist nations will underscore the sigificance of the differences between their own tightly regulated society, and those of their trading partners.
It could just be a trigger for action by those with a new found realisation of just what might be achieved.
Posted by Ponder, Thursday, 21 February 2008 9:48:51 PM
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I agree that the True Socialist Revolution as the leftists mean it, will happen about the same time as the Second Coming of Christ, probably few million years later.
About the Communist Party of Chine, few years before it asked the leaders of the Socialist International to become member of the SI and of cause the SI did not accept it as member of cause the lack of Democracy and no respect to Human Rights. The socialist International is an International Political Organization where belong the socialist Parties, mainly in South Europe, the Social Democratic Parties, in Central or North Europe, The Labor Parties in Anglo Saxon Countries and many other parties from Africa, Asian and South America. Current president of the Socialist International is the president of PASOK, Greek Socialist Party George Papandreou.
The True Socialist Revolution is a good excuse for the lazy , immature and irresponsible leftists to do nothing.
For real progressive people the fight for a better world is a permanent every day fight in different sides, levels and corners of our planet. The fight for Human Rights, for Migrants Rights, for Women Rights, for Democracy, for Peace, for Social Justice, for extent and deepen of Democracy, for better Health and Education System, The fight for understanding and Cooperation between people from different religious, cultures, nationalities, the fight for Strong International Bodies as the UN, Criminal Court, the fight for strong International Non Government Organizations, as Amnesty International, Greenpeace etc All these and much more are parts of the True Socialist Revolution.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Friday, 22 February 2008 4:37:07 PM
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Col Rouge got it right when he said that nobody WANTS to be working class. Thats certainly true now that the whole of China is upwardly mobile. As someone else mentioned - its now a capitalist society. As long as there is nothing impeding personal acquisition people are quite happy with the status quo of leaving the governing of the country to someone else while they get on with the real, serious business of making money.

The villagers (one doesn't refer to them, as in pre-PC days, as "peasants" anymore) are increasingly given more control over their own affairs and many have collaborated to jump on the bandwagon by turning their villages in tourist destinations, or to combineinto new ventures growing flowers, making paper, reviving what were once cottage industries.

The "pittance" that factory workers are paid is more than their parents or grandparents ever dreamed of and is paying for appliances and devices that most villages had never even heard of even 10 years ago.

Right now I don't think anyone has the time to donate to revolution: capitalism IS the revolution.
Posted by Romany, Sunday, 24 February 2008 3:09:52 PM
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Some years ago, an anthropologist predicted that the one-child program and preference for male children would lead to an excess of males in the population, which he saw as leading to future civil unrest. The following cited, and dated 2002, appears to confirm this emerging problem. This may be a more immediate issue, which possibly could have longer term consequences for China.

China Population Information and Research Center (CPIRC)
“As expert and official concerned point out that the long-term high tendency in sex proportion of the newborn children will necessarily lead to the disproportion of male and female population in matrimonial age group, and further the eruption of sharp competition for marriage among masculine population, thereby entailing a series of such problems as swindling and selling women and unstable family relations, etc. And this will further endanger the healthy and stable development of society and economy, for which we must take great account and find out ways and means to solve the problem as soon as possible.”
http://www.cpirc.org.cn/en/enews20020514.htm
Posted by Danielle, Sunday, 24 February 2008 4:40:49 PM
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Tianamen Square, when workers and students challenged the rule of the dictators, was only 19 years ago (almost). That showed the great potential of the forces opposed to the dictatorship. Those forces can erupt again, this time drawing on the lessons from 1989 to move to success in not only getting rid of the butchers of Beijing and their heirs, but moving from the present economic slavery to econmic freedom in which production occurs to satisfy human need.
Posted by Passy, Sunday, 24 February 2008 7:32:07 PM
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Danielle,

Yes, I agree that the problem of the inequality of gender distribution is more a cause for concern than some nebulous rising of the masses. I have thrown myself into the much-publicized policy to raise the status of women.

It is somewhat ironic however, to find that with the adoption of more and more Westernised views, it is becoming more difficult. Cheesy soap-operas, glamorous film stars and a whole "girly" culture is turning modern young women into Chinese Barbies. Their older, feistier mothers and grandmothers are now regarded as passe and ambition as un-feminine. Their value now is becoming the picture they make in a frothy white wedding dress! And they are now in a position to pick and choose.

BTW, I am sure you are aware that "one child" is not strictly adhered to? Villagers, who need more than one child in family businesses, and those who are only children themselves and marry someone else who is an only child, may have two babies. As the current crop of newly-weds start families most are citing a pigeon pair as the ideal.
Posted by Romany, Monday, 25 February 2008 7:12:17 PM
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