Arjay says: "You [gays] are a minority group and like the fanatical Muslims must learn you place in the reality of successful evolution."

But non-Muslim anti-gay bigots in Australia are expressing opinions on gays similar to JI's or Al-Qaeda's. In fact, it is hard to find an oppressive regime in the world, Muslim or otherwise, which IS NOT anti-gay.

In terms of "the reality of successful evolution" it does seem that gay couples are out of the loop in that they can't reproduce (together). My theory is (probably not original) is that gays and childless non-gay couples are here to slow the population down. Other mammals instinctively stop reproducing in scarce times. If they didn't, they would all die. To use a car analogy, in the human world heterosexuals are the accelerator and homosexuals are the brakes. Even then it's not cut and dried. Plenty of gays have children.

As for the throwaway term "minority group", a cliche often used in a pathetic attempt to discredit people, I can live with that. I'm not only gay but male and understand the reality of gay lives - three minority groups.

Believe it or not, Arjay wrote: "Well Stickman,the evolutionery genetic reality is here,which has enabled our civilisation to excel way beyond our capacity as individuals,and the hetrosexual family unit is responsible for at least 90% of this reality,what right have the gays to overturn the formula which has brought us such success?"

Quick Stickman! The champagne!

This is *officially* the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Vanilla - I know, and he has some stiff competition on these boards as well... the high priest of proselytism himself (you know who you are Boazy) has made some strong contributions.. but yeah, that little spiel by Arjay was pretty "special" ;)

The reason why the gay/lesbian movement want to assume the title of gay marriage,is that of adoption.Now how can two mothers of lesbian decent,objectively raise a male hetrosexual child whose sexuality they utterly distain?The same can be said for two homosexual males rearing a hetrosexual female child.There is no balance or role models for either sex to find security or stability.Not all homosexuality is genetic.Sexual imprinting at a young age also affects children.The paedophiles know this,and paedophiles beget more paedophiles.There are many hetrosexual men who were abused as children,get married and as old men,revert to the perversion that destroyed them as child,yet the homosexual lobby persists in wanting to lower the age of consent to 14 or lower.

Our society is confused enough as it is,without all the confusion of sexuality that gay lobby wants to thrust upon us.Sexual discipline without all the puritan overtones of guilt is needed,rather than this unbridled sexuality that puts pleasure before responsibility,no matter what your sexual orientation.

Sex today in the popular media is used a a tool of power,so even children are encouraged to display sexual prowess way beyond their innocent years.

The gays have set themselves apart by virtue of their aggressive war of attrition on the traditional family unit.Their argument is that it has failed,therefore they should be able to replace it with a concept of their choice.

If there is a problem with sexual relations today, it has nothing to do with the prospect of same-sex marriage. It has more to do with the subordinate role women play in even relatively liberated societies such as Australia. Women are overrepresented in prostitution, on the receiving end of domestic violence and rape and as sex objects in Who Weekly etc. Of course, in African or Asian countries the situation is even worse. Nothing whatever to do with same-sex marriage or even its remote possibility.

In fact, here's food for thought: any country where women are treated atrociously, so are gays. And any country where both women and gays are severely oppressed, human rights overall are shocking.

Anybody appalled by the prospect of same-sex marriage might like to move to a country where it's least likely to happen. Sudan comes to mind.

And for goodness sake, if you are going to be proudly HETEROSEXUAL at least spell it correctly.

It seems that both stickman and DavidJS can only revert to ad homiem arguments and ridicule,to advance their case.Just refute my arguments and refrain from personal attacks on my spelling prowess.