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P*rn is no one religion : Comments

By Sarah @VTAY, published 21/1/2008

It's not necessarily p*rn that's at the heart of the relationship woes experienced by ordinary people.

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Runner,

You are taking the same feeble approach that Creationists take on the topic of the origins of life. Trying to disprove one theory doesn't prove another.

In regards to the 'Porn: Good for America!' article. I wouldn't be surprised if the suggestions of someone, trying to say that porn was good for America, were entirely false. People often cherry-pick their arguments, twist facts and tell half-truths to prove their points - just like Creationists.

But that doesn't mean your assertions (and Reynolds') are correct...

<<As proof, Reynolds quotes a U.S. Department of Justice claim that in 2004 rape of "people" over age 12 radically decreased with an "85 percent decline in the per-capita rape rate since 1979"...>>

An Assumption.

That 85% could be attributed to many other factors such as less unwanted babies being brought into the world with the more wide spread use of abortion.

<<Since the DOJ data excludes rape of children under age 12, child rape may be up 85 percent, for all we know'>>

An assumption.

But assuming you're correct, how do you know this has to do with pornography? You're trying to prove your point by attacking the same kind of assumptions that you yourself are making.

Oh, the irony!

<<In 2005 the NSW Police Commissioner said that child abuse (including sexual abuse) has doubled in the last decade.>>

Again, how do you know this is related to pornography? How do the police know that it has actually doubled, when victims were regressively less likely to report rape the further back in time you go?

<<You and AJ Phillips can quote all the lies you like.>>

Now your just being childish. How do you know that the links Lev has provided, are lies? Have you researched this matter? Did you even read the links? No.

<<The facts are that the fruit of the perversion industry break up families and increase sexual abuse among children.>>

And you still haven't provided any references to these 'facts'.

<<Think about it next time you are enjoying it.>>

More childishness. Where did we say we watched it?

Grow-up, Runner!
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 6:22:48 PM
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Runner, quoting Judith Reisman "child rape may be up 85 percent, for all we know". Maybe it has declined by 85 percent, for all we know. Maybe the universe was created by a great Sky Daddy who reveals himself only to certain individuals to write perfect, eternal sacred texts. Maybe a rainbow spouts from your rear as you read this!

This is a ridiculous argument. When doing a comparative study one uses a consistent data set. You have demonstrably failed to address the multiple, international, peer-reviewed studies and their wide data set because you have an ideological opposition to their *results*. Instead you quote from a short article from Dr. Judith Reisman. A little research shows that Reisman is not to be taken seriously on such matters, given her extremely flawed inquiries on Dr. Kinsey and her utterly unscientific (indeed, quite lunatic) speculation of "erototoxins".

Further, you appear to be wrong when you claim the NSW Police Commissioner said child abuse had doubled in the past decade. In reality it was 5% increase in 5 years.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/horrific-child-abuse-figures-spur-crusade/2005/10/23/1130006005893.html

Finally, I knew that you were going to cite Mr. Carpenter, and this elucidates your confusion. Alan Carpenter is a politician who was attempting to develop a legal *neutral* approach to commercial sexual activity (cf., Hansard, Thursday, 17th and 18th October 2007). I ask you yet again to find a person from a proponent body (say, someone from Scarlett Alliace, the Prostitutes Collective, the Eros Fondation) who would be offended if their daughters (or even their sons) performed public sex.

BTW, Runner, can you give a date when Alan Carpenter allegedly spat the dummy in Parliament on the question that you suggest? Because I have done a search of the West Australian Hansard and it doesn't appear to be there.

One of these days Runner you may consider giving facts and reasons a higher status than faith and ideology.
Posted by Lev, Wednesday, 23 January 2008 9:14:46 AM
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Lev

In the Sydney morning Herald on 24 Oct 2005 the Adam Blakester concurs with the NSW Police Minister '"The number of children abused has doubled in the last decade, which concurs with the point Commissioner Moroney's is making," said Adam Blakester, executive officer of the NAPCAN Foundation, a child abuse prevention agency.

Mr Carpenters dummy spit is recorded on You Tube. It happened on September 10 2007 as a result of a question from Mr Johnston.
Lev
One of these days you will be able to accept facts as to the depravity and destruction caused by pornography on a society instead of using lies and statistics backed up by porn perverts in order to make profit !
Posted by runner, Thursday, 24 January 2008 12:55:16 PM
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Runner,

I have news for you: Adam Blakester is not the NSW Police Commissioner. So you're wrong again.

You say Alan Carpenter's response is on You Tube? Really? Please show where.

You say it happened on September 10, 2007. Really? Was Parliament sitting that day Runner? It seems that it wasn't. There is no Hansard of that day.

So with a bit more searching to make up for your incompetence on such matters, I discovered a comment by the Member for Hillaries on September 12 i.e.,

"No, that issue was dealt with because it was a problem. We supported that. At the end of the day, the government will be turning brothels into legal businesses. Once brothels become legal businesses, would the Attorney General want his daughter to work in one? If the Minister for Culture and the Arts and Tourism had a daughter, would she want her daughter to work in a brothel?"

There is no evidence of a response negative or otherwise and Hansard tends to be pretty good at recording such things.

Finally, I note that offer no proof that the academic articles previously cited are written by "porn perverts in order to make a profit".

You really are just trying to find the results that suit your prejudices. I am very glad I don't think that way.
Posted by Lev, Thursday, 24 January 2008 2:19:25 PM
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My mistake, it was Hansard of the 19th. But if you read on Alan Carpenter does take Mr. Johnson to the cleaners.. why? Because the member who was so opposed to the legalisation of brothels thought it was OK for a person to work with children if they had previously been convicted for having sex with animals!

"It is not an offence against a child, nor is it a violent offence", Mr. Johnson said in Hansard.

Oh dear. It would seem that those who don't want to grant sex workers the rights accorded to other workers think that bestiality is OK.

My, my. What a strange moral universe they must live in, eh runner?
Posted by Lev, Thursday, 24 January 2008 2:28:57 PM
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Gibo “All I know, as a trained observer, is that PORN IS KILLING SOCIETY.”

All I know is, as a trained participant (in society), porn is killing no one.

So how about some scientific/statistical analysis and research finds from all your “observations” Gibo?

I would point out, however, that according to most authorities, those who “matter” are those who participate rather than who merely “observe” – unless you are alluding to some personal voyeuristic proclivity.

As for “Out of this one dark, demon-infested room comes all of todays sex crime including the lone wolf sex killers like I. Milat who stalk women with vicious intent. Ban the porn.”

Plenty of folk enjoy immersing themselves in porn yet do not harm a single living soul.

I would further note women were being abused long before even books like “Fanny Hill” were written by John Cleland in 1748.

I am absolutely certain that “sex crimes” were being committed long before the Romans invented orgies.

As for “What a fool world we are becoming”

Seems to me, based on the clear evidence of mans historic co-existence with the pornographic and salacious, we “became” what we “are” several millennia ago.

Pretending pornography it is all somehow a “new indulgence” will only hold credence in a commune of simpletons and the emotionally challenged.
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 24 January 2008 8:59:58 PM
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