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Climate change, is democracy enough? : Comments

By David Shearman, published 17/1/2008

Liberal democracy is sweet and addictive: but unbridled individual liberty overwhelms many of the collective needs of citizens and the environment.

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This recent survey to investigate whether companies are addressing the issue of CO2, reveals that 98 percent of those companies, turning over $150 to $350 million, "had not implemented a strategic response to address climate change risks":

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23132031-5008620,00.html

Clearly, after two decades of debate on anthropogenic CO2, corporate Australia and government regulators remain impervious to reasoning.

Since they claim to operate under a mask of sanity, can we community members also adopt the same reasoning and make life simpler for ourselves by dumping our hazardous waste and trashing the environment to save ourselves a few bucks?

Mind you, we would need to do this in a covert fashion since citizens are expediently prosecuted for polluting the environment - that's the democratic process of course!
Posted by dickie, Monday, 4 February 2008 12:24:34 PM
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You have got to be Kidding! Have you not the capacity to realize that a commitee of educated idiots is not the answer. Reveiw the Histories of Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia before you put an Authoritarian Regime on your wish list. You will live to regret it! TICK
Posted by TICK, Friday, 8 February 2008 1:59:00 PM
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Global Warming is a joke and will be proven as such within a decade if not sooner. Earth's temperature is determined by solar output, end of story. Recent, record low sunspot activity indicates that global cooling is more likely a near term concern than warming.

Ice core records indicate that over the last few hundreds of thousands of years, rises in CO2 FOLLOWED rises in temperature, NOT the other way around.

It is not a surprise that GW fundamentalists are arguing for a dictatorship of scientists since the environmental movement is where much of the totalitarian left scattered when their previous god, communism, fell into the ashbin of history.
Posted by VRWC, Friday, 8 February 2008 2:34:41 PM
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Welcome Tick and VRWC. I note this is your first attempt at "debating" matters of interest on this forum.

May I advise that the most respected posters on OLO who differ in the opinions of others, generally provide a link to support their argument. I regret that neither of you have seen fit to do this.

In addition, I care not to debate whether the weather is hot or cold!

My contribution to this thread is about rescuing our highly contaminated eco systems from a government regulatory regime which is responsible for the dire state of Australia's environment and beyond. These agencies ARE the dictators.

The Environmental Protection Acts have been operating in Australia for decades. These laws are statute - enacted through legislation. The contents of these Acts are excellent.

The Acts are breached, manipulated, ignored and exploited daily by government agencies established to "protect" the environment.

Is this the democratic process you allude to?

Rest assured community and individual appeals, complete with damning evidence (including FOIs) and submitted formally to Ministers, MPs, the Appeals Convenor, the Ombudsman, the Department of Environment, the Environmental Protection Authority and local government are a waste of time. All these agencies have been captured by industry polluters.

Recent Ministers for the Environment have been bankers, lawyers and industrial property developers. Their determinations on environmental appeals are final. Heh hem!

The environmental, man-made disasters occurring in Australia and "regulated" by government agencies, are testament to my claims.

The time in dealing with environmental problems should be before these disasters happen.

I recall Mr Howard formed a carbon trading task force, inviting some of the planet's largest polluters to be part of the committee. Experts trained in environmental toxicology were not invited to be part of that committee.

What is wrong with inviting Australia's most eminent environmental toxicologists and health experts to form an independent task force to ensure that the Environmental Protection Act is enacted and enforced?

Failure to change the "Nazi" style status quo will see more desecration to our already seriously threatened eco systems and irreparable damage to this fragile environment.
Posted by dickie, Friday, 8 February 2008 5:58:39 PM
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*Welcome Tick and VRWC. I note this is your first attempt at "debating" matters of interest on this forum.*

Just to inform you, our local "prophet of gloom" has
nearly worn out her google button, but I doubt if too
many read the squillions of search links. But it
keeps her off the streets :)

Hey, say what you think and enjoy. You will also
learn to tolerate slightly eccentric types such
as Dickie :)
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 8 February 2008 10:08:53 PM
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The bias and false premise of the article can be seen in the words 'the USA (has)unbridled individual liberty (which) overwhelms many of the collective needs of the citizens'

That statement is obviously wrong and the writer must surely be aware of the fact.

There are many and various 'bridles' on an individuals liberty in the USA as there are in other democracies.
Posted by father of night, Friday, 8 February 2008 10:20:30 PM
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