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Marketing global warming : Comments

By David Holland, published 10/12/2007

Is 20th century warming so exceptional? How the IPCC has dealt with this issue exposes poor process, bias and concealment.

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Imagine a greenhouse: It has glass panels, green plants, a CO2 machine &two air conditioning systems:

1 A pond with water creatures that absorb heat: E(excess heat)=M(increase in mass of creatures)*C^2.

2. Two circular Quantum-Mechanical-macromolecular-ice-fields. Ice performs a Van-Der-Waal's sidestep around the second-law-of-thermodynamics and absorbs heat.Heat that is stored in low-temperature &low-entropy macro-crystalline structures. Excess heat is released as sound-fields(cracking) and magneto-quantum-energy-fields.

Now the smoke machine becomes faulty and the extra CO2 causes the greenhouse to heat up 10degreesC. The air conditioners absorb all the extra heat and the greenhouse stays 27C.

Then the owner's pleasure-seeking grandchildren took over. They pumped sewer into the pond. . They dumped agri-waste and industrial chemicals too. They Saved lots of money!

Anyway the pond creatures died and the Number #1 air conditioner failed as not enough biomass was being produced to absorb heat.

One year it was hotter, then cooler. Then the owner had a war & weapons-manufacture poisoned more pond. Mini heat swirls became hurricanes. These shot across the dead pond & melted the ice-edges but NOT the deep-embedded macro-crystal ice. Everyone knows you need much greater temperature increase than dying hurricane embers to do THAT.

Now this made the greenhouse owner's family SCARED. Then one day the oil company rang and said there would be no more deliveries.Oil had PEAKED.

It was a surprise to the greenhouse owner when all his enlarged family started fighting over the plants and the oil. Before he knew they planned a holocaust and killed 70% of his family while he slept. The next day he went to the greenhouse and to his astonishment the smoke machine was still pumping CO2 but the sewers had ceased. The pond creatures came back. His greenhouse, his pride and joy was back to normal.

As he walked back to his house a smile crossed his face .. "I didn't really want all those grandchildren. I'm so glad my greenhouse is back to its good old self"

From that day forth his children promised NEVER to have more than one-child-per-woman ever again.

Moral:The Earth spins at 1000miles/hour &isn't a greenhouse.
Posted by KAEP, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 10:56:37 AM
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“The Earth spins at 1000 miles hour & isn't a greenhouse.” KAEP, umm – some points aren’t bad – but.
And in your summing up, aren’t there a few other details for consideration?
Such as, If the earth is spinning, and we (non-troglodyte) surface dwellers are being whizzed around at that speed, why aren’t we flung into space?
And then there is thermodynamics, which you seem to have missed – at that speed, wouldn’t there be heat generated by friction between atmospheric layers? If so, what would be the energy-flow characteristics for that?
Posted by colinsett, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 1:37:14 PM
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In the course of a conversation I had today, James Hansen came up – a NASA scientist. My colleague emailed me a link to an article concerning Hansen.

Well … guess what?

Before OLO’s esteemed resident “Professor Twerp” takes up more bandwidth, you may want to peruse the following links – make up your own mind about KAEP and to determine the veracity of his musings.

If the rant sounds familiar, you will understand why. Indeed, if the posts read like KAEP and are written like KAEP, well in all probability they are KAEP, aka Fred Moore.

If Fred just pointed to this site in the first place, we wouldn’t have to go through all this twaddle with a 350 word limit.

You could of course read the whole article (which is very interesting in itself) but it blew me away when I kept seeing our KAEP turn up.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/averting-our-eyes-james-hansens-new-call-for-climate-action/#comment-2278

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/averting-our-eyes-james-hansens-new-call-for-climate-action/#comment-2424

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/averting-our-eyes-james-hansens-new-call-for-climate-action/#comment-2689

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/averting-our-eyes-james-hansens-new-call-for-climate-action/#comment-2805

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/averting-our-eyes-james-hansens-new-call-for-climate-action/#comment-2876

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/averting-our-eyes-james-hansens-new-call-for-climate-action/#comment-2886

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/averting-our-eyes-james-hansens-new-call-for-climate-action/#comment-3290

This last one tells me more about the misogynistic porker than anything else.

Oh, BTW Twerp, I did not say “I didn’t understand Perelman and Hamilton's work as applied to climate science and therefore don't like it.” This is your assertion – please don’t put words in my mouth.

I said,

“The science is complex … what makes you think in a forum such as this you can explain the mathematic or scientific complexities of the oceans, atmosphere or terrestrial biosphere?”

People,

Grigori Perelman was awarded the Fields Medal (equivalent to a Nobel for maths – and what a story!). BUT, Perelman would not bore us with the complexities of his maths on opinion forums such as this – unlike our very own “Professor Twerp”, aka Mr Fred Moore.
Posted by Q&A, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 7:02:42 PM
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Q&A I had a quick look at GRACE. What was I supposed to be scared of?
Posted by GrahamY, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 10:06:37 PM
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Colinset,

I think we both know that gravity and the atmospheric boundary layer prevents things flying off into space.

The thing is that the 1000mph spin of the Earth's surface is not benign as you subtley suggest. It is strongly coupled to both atmospheric and oceanic currents by the Coriolis force.

The Earth's spin is like a motor in an air conditioner. It drives air and water 'fluids' between heat exchangers at the tropics(picks-up-heat) and at the poles(drops-off-heat).

The intriguing thing is how can the IPCC can in any way compare the Earth to a standard greenhouse when the Earth spins at 1000mph and has an air conditioner built in?

Now for some more on Ricci flows:

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/dataphod1/work/HHP/NEW/2007345atsha.png

This Sea Height Anomaly map of the US Atlantic shows a pattern of flow of red and blue self contained patches from the US east coast centred on Cape Hatteras. That pattern or plume approximates the multi-holed-torus mentioned in articles on Ricci flow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_flow. If I am correct it will indicate that wastewater pollution from the greater-US-east-coast does not simply diffuse into the ocean. Due to a variety of forces and guided by the second law of thermodynamics, pollution forms a Ricci flow of distinct, preserved high and low entropy areas. Chains of high entropy areas guide LOW entropy formations like hurricanes, storms and lower order heat waves from the tropics to the poles along with the Coriolos force.

The conjecture is that if you reduce the blue areas around coastal areas by holding back wastewaters as storms approach then those storms will not have a high entropy pathway into sensitive coastal areas. Then those storms will stay harmlesly out to sea on ther way to the poles avoiding costly metropolitan damage.



My research involves making suggestions on which ports should hold wastewaters, watching their plumes to confirm this and observing how this affects incoming storms. To date 2005-2007 correlations have been overwhelming &US hurricane damage has become minimal. Further research will determine if US authorities are in fact doing what I suggest and creating what I am observing in the maps.
Posted by KAEP, Thursday, 13 December 2007 2:55:48 AM
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continued ,...

Notes:

*US authorities have saved >$100billion in both 2006 and 2007 compared to the 2005 hurricane season. This is an incredible incentive to be following my suggestions(through widely accessed NYTimes science forums) in coming years. Based on observations to date, I am extremely confident & fully expect they will.

*Greenhouse warming scientists and the IPCC rightly frown on this work. If I am proved correct then the GRAVITAS of climate change is in wastewater pollution on the sea surface and NOT in polluting gases in the atmosphere. What that means is that CO2 emission cuts proposed by Stern and the IPCC will exacerbate climate change because reductions in smokestack emissions will almost certainly, one way or another transfer atmospheric human waste streams into the oceans where they will exponentially increase climate change in very short order. Put another way, if I am correct, the IPCC is about to orchestrate & oversee the greatest calamity mankind has ever witnessed. Not in 50-100 years but by about 2015 when IPCC global CO2 emissions targets start to kick in.
Posted by KAEP, Thursday, 13 December 2007 11:03:34 AM
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