Impressive vitriol there redneck. Golly, I seem to be copping it in this thread, though when I look at where the comments are coming from, in truth, I find it rather heartening. Plus, you chose that nickname, not me.

As far as "This is my first exchange with you, and I am heartened that you have already put your foot in your mouth. I rate you as easy meat, and I am glad you are on the supposely "anti racist" side and not on mine."

I could say the same for you...

Allow me to give you the same advice I gave Leigh. If you're so damn intellectual, perhaps you should consider refuting the points I made instead of resorting to insults. There's a nice fellow.

You mention the White Australia Policy, Redneck.

The abolition of that policy is one of the saddest things that have happened in our history. None of the left-wing cranks will believe this, but I did once see all people as equal. Since Australia has opened the doors to people from anywhere, I have changed my mind. I hope that the immigrants we get here are not representative of the people who are happy to stay where they belong.

I don't dislike people simply because they are not Anglo/Saxon/Celts. In fact, I don't dislike them at all, as long as they stay in their own countries.

And, the people I admire most for their cultural pride and social cohesion are defintiely not Anglo/Saxon/Celts - they are the Japanese. They have stuck to their monocultural structure through thick and thin, and jolly good luck to them. They believe in monoculturalism and they have not been cowered as the white PC cowards in the West have been into changing their principles.

Now, I don't think that makes me a racist. But, if ignorant people use the word - always incorrectly - to describe me thus, so be it. I don't give a fig. I will not change my mind, and I will do whatever I can to encourage other people who are bullied by left-wing thugs like TRTL into thinking they cannot express their opinions here and elswhere.

I chose the name “redneck” as a trap tactic to smoke out white hating racists like you TLTR, and you are just one of many slow thinkers to fall into it. In addition, so many people like you called me a “redneck” that I must be one. Oh, but please don’t call me an “intellectual”, that really hurts.

I note that your dismissal of my argument which analysed your logic's obvious racism towards whites did not include a defence of that logic. That punch must have landed home.

Oh, and please spare me the feigned indignation about my insults to you. Whereas I have never crossed swords with you before, I have noted your posts to others, and they have hardly been free of the same insults that you accuse me of. Besides, a few clever put downs is most entertaining and keeps our readers amused.

Hi Leigh, long time no see.

You appear to have a problem being labelled a “racist”. But it is no problem to me. There are many definitions of racist, but anyone who thinks that the different races have unequal physical and mental characteristics is a racist. Since the idea that the races do indeed possess unequal physical and mental abilities looks self evident to me, then calling me a ‘racist” does not worry me in the slightest. I even tell people I am a racist. That really upsets some people and I get to figure out their prejudices and underlying motivations very quickly.

To me, the term “racist” as used by the political PC people means exactly the same as “heretic” did with religious PC people in a bygone age.

Thank you for pointing out that Asians are very racist. The funny thing about TLTR and his comrades is that they will never tire of attacking white western society which is the most tolerant, most gender equal, and most enamoured of “human rights”, on the grounds that it is not perfect. Yet they will ignore every other failed culture where such concepts are rudimentary or vestigial. That looks like racism to me.

Redneck,

I’m not so much concerned about being thought of as a racist as I am by the practice of self-hating renegades like TLTR using the word against their own kind in their complete ignorance of the nasty side of alien cultures they seem to prefer to their own.

These self-haters, with their anything-but-WASPS bleating, should be pitied. They must be horribly choked up with their own failures to have such a down on their own culture. I can’t quite come at pity, though, and merely find them obnoxious little twerps who should be very glad that they live in a culture they can rubbish with impunity.

TLTR et al would have been very please this morning if they heard the news that, thanks to the arrogance of the AMA and its ‘quotas’, and the dummies in Canberra, we will have to continue relying on overseas-trained doctors like Dr. Death and the shifty little Dr. Haneef.

Perhaps the plan is to wipe us through lack of medical care. The politicians can always fly to Geneva for their health care, at our expense

I'm rather honoured the two of you are coming together in such a friendly fashion to criticise me. Considering one is a self proclaimed racist while the other just loves to attack immigrants at any opporunity, I consider it quite the honour.

I never said I was without disparaging remarks, though I always keep them focused on the stupidity of particular posts.
There's plenty of material in yours to go by.

All your response has been just more insulting rhetoric. I'm still waiting to see evidence of your vaunted intellectual capability, but if all you can do is respond by making slurs on the intellect of your opponent, you really don't have much substance.

You said I didn't address your arguments. I put forward two contrary considerations. Those are refutations as well as arguments, yet you still haven't rebutted.
Maybe one day you'll get there. Until you do, I'll have to conclude you're "easy meat" as it were, unless I see posts that can address the actual arguments.

I dunno what race you are. I haven't commented on any particular race.
No doubt you'll accuse this of simply being politically correct apologism, that seems to be the MO when white supremacists are cornered.

As far as disparaging points of view... well duh.

Get over it - this is called 'online opinion' we're here to evaluate opinions by looking at posts. Criticising an opinion isn't the same as blanket condemnation of a race.

Have you ever actually stopped to consider the direction of where your views lead? If I wanted to go for the shallow argument I could quite easily accuse you of being like Hitler or the like, but lets take it back a notch and simply go with the most reasonable course of action.

You said yourself, that "there may be smart people among these ethnic groups who do socialise and can be accepted in higher society".

Is it okay to refuse a job offer on the basis of race? What about these people? I'm quite genuinely interested in your view.

You are asking me if racial discrimination can be justified? Of course it can.

In Australia, tribal aboriginal people have different property rights to other races. Aboriginal parents are paid to send their children to school. Aboriginal people do not need to buy fishing licenses in NSW, while every other race must do so. Aboriginal people need not keep records relating to their job seeking applications in order to gain the dole. Aboriginal people may hunt dugong, every other races may not. Aboriginal people get special low interest loans from the government for anything they want. Aboriginal people are given priority and special scholarships for higher education.

If you oppose racial discrimination, then there are several instances of racial injustice for you to sink your teeth into. But if you agree with all of these examples, then you just crossed the Rubicon and you can never again claim that racial discrimination is wrong.

Discrimination is a fact of life and to consider it wrong as a moral absolute is silly. Here in this country, all young drivers are made to pay higher car insurance premiums because collectively, young drivers have more accidents. People who live in rich areas pay less insurance because collectively, wealthy people are more responsible drivers and they have less accidents.

Judging people by their group associations is an everyday affair. Are you going to invite the Hells Angels over to your next party? If not, why not?

To be more specific with your original question, you are asking me if it is morally right to discriminate against the immigration of trouble prone immigrant groups knowing that some of them are intelligent enough to be productive and to be accepted? Of course it is.

The moral priority for me is not racial discrimination; it is what is good for the Australian people.

Regardless of whether some people within trouble prone immigrant groups can be considered decent people, the fact remains that importing these troublesome ethnic groups is not in the interests of my people. In addition, the interests of non citizens should not have priority over citizens.