FrankGol “So what kind of statement is this of yours: ….."?

Not "plain old judgmentalism", I hope?”

I would suggest - it is simply “the voice of experience”.

Daggett “In fact, that is, unfortunately how all too many who do succeed in climbing Maslow's hierarchy seem to behave, that is to 'forgive' and 'forget' past unconscionable acts against themselves whilst the perpetrators are left to do the same to others.”

And I fear that is the sort of statement which someone who has still to consider taking even the first of Maslow’s steps would make.

However, it does not alter the truth of what I said.

Whilst extracting some monetary consideration from the public purse might seem like a good idea, the reality is, money will never resolve the injury done.

Public expose of the perpetrators might help.

(I would personally opt for meeting the perpetrator on a dark night and telling him how he is forgiven, whilst I repeatedly hit him in the groin with a pickaxe handle – I guess not all of me has climbed “Maslow”)

But I repeat, only when huffnpuff decides to seek direct counselling to help him “let the monkey go” will he feel any relief from the burden it presently places upon him.

I know someone whose son was recently murdered by someone experiencing what was mildly called “a psychotic episode”.

As is the law in this state, the family of a murder victim are eligible to apply for compensation, an amount of around $100,000 being divided among the relatives and dependents at the discretion of a presiding magistrate.

This money was awarded however,
This money made no difference to the loss of a son.
Not even knowing the killer was “locked up” for predictably 25 years makes any difference.
The sympathy and support of friends and the killers family makes little difference.

The only thing which is making a difference in really dealing with that loss is the counseling which has been undertaken.

COL ROUGE YOU HAVE A SHORT FUSE IN YOUR BRAIN THE MONKEY ON MY BACK IS THE GOVERMENT OF AUSTRALIA WHO EMPLOYED THESE PEDOPHILES AND AS FOR COUNSILLING WELL OVER ONE HUNDRED APPIONTMENTS TO PROBERLY _RICKS LIKE YOU ,WE SIT AND TALK THEY LISTEN IF THATS COUNCILLING ,GIVE ME THE GUN , ANYWAY YOU ALSO DON'T KNOW THE TRUE FACTS ABOUT COMPENSATION FOR YOUR FRIENDS FAMILY ,ONLY IF THE PERSON HAVE SEEN OR BEEN APART OF THE CRIME AS A VICTIM THEY ARE THEN ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR COMPENSATION IF THEY WERE NO WHERE NEAR THE CRIME THEY HAVE NO CLAIM , AND I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SEEM TO DEFEND THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THE THINGS TO THE FORGOTTEN AUSTRALIAS, TRUE AS YOU SAID YOU WOULD USE A PICK AXE ,WELL IF I WENT AND DID WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO I WOULD BE JUST LOWERING MY SELF TO THEIR STANDARDS SO I WILL LET THE COURT SYSTEM DEAL WITH IT EVEN THOUGH THE COURTS ARE PROTECTING THESE PEDOPHILES THAT WORKED FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF WELFARE IN THE STATES RUN INSTITUTIONS ,THE GOVERMENT IS STILL COVERING UP THE CRIMES TODAY ALSO ,D.O.C.S. ARE THE ONES WHO CONTROLLED US AND THAT OF THE COMMUNITY AND LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING ,ONLY THE OTHER DAY LITTLE BABY DIES AT BIRTH ,OF WHICH THOSE PERSONS WERE KNOWN TO D.O..C.S AS IT STATES IN TODAYS TELEGRAPH, FRANK I THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO GET THIS _UCKHEAD TO UNDERSTAND US VICTIMS YET YOU JUST CAN ONT GET THROUGH TO HIM ,MAYBE IN HIS NEXT LIVE GOD MIGHT BE KIND AND GIVE HIM A HEART REGARDS MICHEAL

No, Col Rouge, yours is not not the 'voice of experience' but the voice of a sanctimonious hypocrite.

On Friday he tells us about the bad behaviour of poor people: "Poverty is only partly influenced by income. Many folk spend to exceed their income, regardless of what level it is."

On Monday, when challenged, he tells us that: "I always find it easier to state what I would do, rather than speculate or presume the actions of others."

By Thursday he has given up his vow of humility and is back to telling people how they should behave:"But I repeat, only when huffnpuff decides to seek direct counselling to help him 'let the monkey go' will he feel any relief from the burden it presently places upon him."

Humbug!

hi to all the forgotten australians ,thank you for your quick responce , as for col rouge well as he said months ago in some replys he said that he worked for the goverment deparments now says he didn't write such a thing ,as i said read everypost page of all articles ive responderd too as he states in his own words and one sure hippercric , only time for him is the toilet ,and yes frank humbug you maybe correct , i wounder if col will reply to me again or he has lost his guilt at last , anyway i say i hope all the forgotten australians a merry xmass and a happy new year even though we will all still be struggling and thank you for your surpurt frank least some one who knows what they are talking about not like some others who don't care about us forgotten australians kind regards micheal

A story in yesterday's Australian confirms the intention behind the claims made by Saunders in this article, that is, to make cuts in wages paid to unskilled workers more acceptable to public opinion:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22877840-5013871,00.html

PAY CUT URGED FOR THE UNSKILLED

"INCREASING training and extending schooling will not help people with low abilities find a job, says an independent think tank that calls for a cut to the minimum wage instead.

The Centre for Independent Studies' call to shred the employment policies of both sides of politics came as new minister Brendan O'Connor promised a shakeup of measures to help the jobless break free from welfare and into work.

...

... CIS economist Peter Saunders gives this short shrift, saying rather than pushing those on benefits or the bottom end of our students to complete vocational courses, government should work with business to create more low-skill jobs in areas such as aged care and childcare.

...

(Saunders said) "The best way to help those with low abilities is to increase the demand for unskilled labour they offer. This means looking at our high minimum wage, which is deterring employers from taking them on."

If Saunders had read Australian journalist Elisabeth Wynhausen's "Dirt Cheap" or US journalist Barbara Erhenrich's "Nickel and Dimed", about the experiences of unskilled workers he would know that what he has argued above and in this article is fiercely challenged.

It's inconceivable that Saunders would not have heard of these book nor be unaware of their relevance to his field of supposed expertise, yet it seems that he has never acknowledged the evidence presented in these books. In an earlier forum, I made the challenge to Saunders:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=3737#12173
"I would therefore suggest that .. poverty is real and getting much worse in Australia today, both for welfare recipients and for many workers. Again, I ask him to tell us why the conclusions, of Elisabeth Wynhausen's account of what it was like to try to live as a low wage worker in 'Dirt Cheap', are wrong."

Saunders has never taken up this challenge as far as I can tell.

Huffnpuff “YOU HAVE A SHORT FUSE IN YOUR BRAIN”

Hardly, bearing in mind the last several posts stem from a claim you made that I ignored you, I have patiently described what I think might help.

That what I think might help I would offer to say, my daughters and did suggest to my partner, when she faced a crisis. Advise which has been repeated by her son, based on genuine love and concern for the persons welfare and well being.

That you seem to consider that as an indicator of “a short fuse” is up to you.

Re “WE SIT AND TALK THEY LISTEN IF THATS COUNCILLING”

Simply having a talk fest will help no one.

My experience of counselling was where the counsellor, who helped me, ASKED the questions (not just listened) which I would not ask myself and required me to do test / exercises which I would not have done without such prompting. That process helped me understand and deal with an issue which was at the time, “on my back” but which I have since discarded.

Not all counselling is the same, I guess I have had a more positive experience than you but the counsellor was recommended by a friend had used that counsellor himself and who also knew me.

I sincerely hope you find what you seek but I can assure you, “government” is a not a person. Government it is an unaccountable process, populated by professional buck-passers.

That I why I support small government, rather than the politics of the “interfering meddlers” who pretend to “care” when all they really want is to “control”.

FrankGol “voice of a sanctimonious hypocrite”

Oh, the embittered reposte of the failed.

Call me what you will Frank, it is as relevant as you and thus, beneath consideration.