Ozzie

In “the last few days”,

* Three Kangaroos players - Aaron Edwards, Shannon Grant and Hamish McIntosh - face disciplinary action from their AFL club after a confrontation with police and security at a Lionel Ritchie concert at a Victorian winery. No Aboriginal players were involved.

* Victoria’s dominantly Anglo police force - still coming to terms with last month's OPI hearing into the unlawful release of confidential information surrounding the 2003 murder of male prostitute Shane Chartres-Abbott – has been rocked by further serious allegations of corruption.

* An ambulance was set alight in Melton in the early hours of the morning. Disengaged Anglo youth are suspected.

* Two Anglo youths have been charged with deliberately starting a fire in a national park in the State’s north-east.

As you say: “Nothing to do with Race of course!”

Incidentally, when you claim that: “African mobs [were] rioting in Flemington, throwing rocks at Police cars. Now the media is trying to blame the cops for targeting the Africans,” you might care to visit Flemington and Kensington where I live. You’ll get a quite different story.

FrankGol,

Did these incidents you describe involve murdering people with knives ( Box Hill, Chinese), smashing up cars and pushing glass into people faces requiring facial surgery ( Glen Waverley, Asain and ME ).

In no way am I denying Anglo's are involved in crime. However what I am taking about is 1) the violent nature of Ethnic crime and 2) the much higher rate of crime in Ethnic groups.

The incidents you discuss have been committed by a section of the community representing the vast majority of the Australian population. I have discussed incidents involving people from a very small portion of the community. For example the African community represents around 0.1 % of the population yet they have been involved in MANY violent crimes. The recent carjacking are a relatively new thing to Australia, in that they are totally unprovoked and involve extreme violence. There have been at least 3 of these in the last few weeks by Africans. Evidence from Sweden clearly demonstrates that many minority groups are FAR more likely to commit crime especially VIOLENT crime( www.BRA.se see publications in english, then look for crime by swedes and non-swedes). I'd be very interested if you have any evidence from a reputable source to say the opposite to this report.
Incidentally you claim I should visit Flemington where I may get a different story. i've done a lot better than that. I know a police officer who is in charge of trying to intergrate these people. Their job is as MC officer, to help them understand the role of the police. This officer has told me many things, for instance they told me they would never turn their backs on these people as they know they will easily just punch you in the head for no reason. He tells me there is a big problem. I suppose Frank if there was no problem, he would not have a job.

Ozzie

You don’t deny that “Anglo's are involved in crime”. However, you make unsubstantiated claims about
1) "the violent nature of Ethnic crime and
2) the much higher rate of crime in Ethnic groups."

First, you produce no evidence except anecdotes – that’s why I produced counter anecdotes. That gets us nowhere. Nor do the oral reports of one policeman or a group of African-Australians.

So your claims about violence and higher crime rates – often sexed up by the tabloids - are highly dubious.

The Australian Institute of Criminology is the major research body in this field. In 1999 they reported:
“The participation of migrants in crime appears to be an issue of considerable significance in many parts of Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand. People with vested interest in these parts of the world express opinions and make statements irrespective of whether reliable facts to support such opinions and statements exist or not.” (“Ethnicity and crime : an Australian research study”, page 117; www.aic.gov.au/publications/ ethnicity-crime/ethnic-ch4.pdf)

People with vested interests make all sorts of unsubstantiated claims.

On the best available Australian statistical data, the Institute of Criminology concluded:

“ The crime rate of foreign-born population is lower than that of the native-born (Dr Morris, in his written comments to the Committee added an interesting qualification - crime rate amongst recent immigrants was lower than the 'Old Australians' in similar financial and living conditions).”

This finding is consistent with recent statements by Christine Nixon Chief Commissioner Victoria Police who has an overview much superior to a single copper.

The Institute’s evidence led them to conclude also that: “The crime rate of second generation of migrants is higher than that of their parents’ generation and this rate approximates the crime rates of the native-born population."

And that: “Members of the foreign-born population are victims of crime more often than members of the native-born population.”

You might also read: Scott Poynting, Greg Noble, Paul Tabar and Jock Collins, “Bin Laden in the Suburbs: Criminalising the Arab Other”, Institute of Criminology, Sydney, 2004&#8232

(a) For many years the peaceful Hindus in Malaysia have been persecuted by the Muslim-dominated government of Malaysia in that hundreds of Hindu temples were demolished. Frequently, gang of Muslims accompanied by Malaysian government forces armed with machine guns, accompanied those who went to demolish these temples.
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/.html

http://policewatchmalaysia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=&archive=&start_from=&ucat=5& (photos showing demolition team guarded by uniformed persons armed with machine guns)

(b) Christian schools in Malaysia have been asked by Muslims MP to remove crosses nationwide. About 3 schools have already had their crosses removed.
http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2007/12/04/how-many-mission-schools-in-the-country-have-the-cross-removed-from-school-emblem/

It was good that residents stood up strongly to oppose the building of a Islamic College in 98 Johnston Road Bass Hill, in South-west Sydney. Muslims are a threat to non-Muslims especially when they are in a majority. Islam is not tolerant of other religions and experience shows that they persecute other religions when Muslims grow in number. When there are no more non-Muslims left, they would then fight and kill each other as seen in Iraq and Pakistan.

Multiculturalism with Muslims is an impossibility.

FrankGol
Just wanted to let you know that I am in the process of reading the study you quoted. Unfortunately it is around 140 pages. So far all I can say is that it is the worst study in terms of design I have ever read. There are major mistakes that really should not happen. I will post my proper reply soon. The Swedish study I quoted earlier is far superior in design and comes to vastly different conclusions.