Well both are surveying their own interested. and again, by looking at my last post, the triangle, is a carefully designed smoke screen. Its like a game of tennis. I have made enough money! its your turn.

TO LATE HOWARD. I feel you have had the best oportunity to listen but you chose DENIAL until now. Much of what you are now onto is interesting and I credit you as a person for the recent growth.

My distrust however is not in you, as with your MINISTRY. I DO NOT RESPECT YOUR MINISTRY. The NO RESPONSE from people within your departments, the "politics as usual" approach.

I also (as a highly dedicated citizen) who has put her money where her month is, have been seriously abused by men in your ministry, loosing business, career and reputation because of the dirty party politic's at regional levels.

I honesty know you would prehaps care personally about this but there is no way to explain this unless someone in your party is interested. I left so many messages over the years it is nullifing.

I believe the Liberal Party needs time out to revise and rebuild it's civic polices.

Rudd and his team on the other hand I believe has a head start. He understands hardship, poverty and the economic gain of building grassroots enterprise. The ALP is intent on providing the infrastructure and engagement we need to surivive at community levels.

I wrote you Mr Howard an OPEN LETTER on this forum, and I have partly explained the problem I am having with CANDOO NGO and I have left clues about the glue required to enhance the unity of our citizenship especially in ethic and indigenous affairs.

No one took any interest or replied.

http://www.miacat.com/Open%20Letter_Sept_14th.htm

http://www.miacat.com/Media_Pan_One/WorldSystemsOfHealing/Candoo_NGO_Allied_Health.html

Lastly I know you and others have been loosing my material and though I don't mind, it is the insult of no recognition and being treated like this by the Liberal party that will loose the votes.

I want things to change and I see social cohesiveness as a central issue to overcome the difficult problemsat ground levels.

This is in most of my own material and in the OPEN LETTER which I wrote to you and Mr Rudd.

http://www.miacat.com
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Bushbred and Ludwig, I appreciate your disillusionment with the compulsory preferential system, but there is an alternative to throwing your vote away.

Albert Langer advocated the 1-2-2-2-2 vote as a means of protesting the hegemony of the Big Two. He went to gaol, but you might want to investigate exactly what a valid vote currently involves.

Likewise in the Senate, I aways vote below the line. it gives me great pleasure to vote from 1 to 176, savouring the decision of who to put at 176. Put the major parties below 100 or so and your vote will be extinguished long before they get your preferences.

There are plenty of alternatives to avoid letting the major parties get your vote. You just need to get creative.

Pericles... you always help fill in the gaps :) good 4 u.

The point you make is quite spot on.. yes.. JH HAS has all this time to produce those outcomes.. but hasn't......

Further.. the Coalition..with a majority in both HR and SENATE had the power and opportunity to SHUT DOWN the mail order porn from their very own city Canberra.. much of which I'm SURE went or goes to the Aboriginal groups they are all in a fuss about now..."We have to clean up the porn and the grog" HAH! they could have cut the supply anytime they liked.....but the CHOSE not to do it, and I have a letter from Ruddock confirming as much....

NOW..perhaps..they will face the prospect of a political wilderness.
So.. those quotes you gave are quite illuminating.. they show how the Coaltion wishes to portray themselves to a 'Christian' audience..but the reality is..... different.

FRANKGOL....that was a reasonable post mate.. I don't have any recommendation.. I do vote.. will probably go FF but not sure.
My vote is for the Lord.. and my prayer is for the nation.. I can see why the EB don't vote..the choice is pretty much a lesser of evils.

I wish I had not seen the pattern of populist appeal through sensationalization of controversial issues..but I have.
My ideal party would be the left of the Coalition married to the right of Labor..and BOTH of them separate themselves from the vested interests which drive them.

A government "from" the people should be for ALL the people.. but when have you ever seen that ?

My post might have seemed like a bit of a cheap exercise in evangelistic zeal..but it was very honest I assure you.

Boazy: "I can see why the EB don't vote..the choice is pretty much a lesser of evils."

But of course your Brethren cult cousins aren't above funding political advertising to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dealers in order to support the Howard government.

"My post might have seemed like a bit of a cheap exercise in evangelistic zeal..but it was very honest I assure you."

I agree with the "cheap exercise" bit.

My recollection of the Goss years was a bit different. As I recall, Goss got elected when the Nats proposed the Wolfdene dam. The opposition was so fierce it got the Nats chucked out. Then Goss tried to fix the road between the Gold Coast and Brisbane - ie upgrade what is now known as the M1 parking lot. And he got chucked out.

Its all very fashionable to blame the pollies on both sides for not doing the right thing, but from what I can see they did try. The reason those infrastructure projects didn't happen is sad and simple. We, the voters, didn't want them.