To the point of this discussion a simple notion is "How to stay white while populating with black?" (other PERFECT-ENGLISH words could be used to surely).

(daggett asked me to post this):

CJ Morgan,

There are a large number of issues I have raised in my own contributions so far, including five direct questions I have put to you, all of which you have
either ignored or declined to answer.

Of all the points I have raised, the only one you have responded to, in any sense, is Gore Vidal's argument against high immigration.

So, given this, and given the insults and personal abuse you have hurled at me, and given that you have also failed to acknowledge where I have shown
your allegations against myself to have been factually wrong, why should I hope that any response on my part to the question posed in your last post
will lead to a discussion any more fruitful than what has occurred so far?

A thought provoking article. Before anyone passes judgement about the racial dimension of immigration policy, shouldn't we first look at what's happening on the ground regarding African integration into the wider community? As a white resident of Blacktown, I have been in awe and wonder at how well our black refugee community of over 3,000 Africans have managed their lives. We are so much richer for the diversity Africans bring.

Many of the first intake of Sudanese were Dinka and most spoke English before migrating. I know many who have already graduated from university or TAFE. The local Council has employed a former Sudanese Human Relations graduate from the University of Western Sydney. He coaches a local football team. Blacktown City Council has provided venues for African musicians and artists.

The lBlacktown Migrant Resource Centre is doing a good job teaching practical English and computer skills to those for whom English is a second or third or fourth language.

I have been impressed with the warm, welcoming character of the many Sudanese that I have met. Our local newspapers have played a positive role, featuring achievements of our newest citizens in the arts, sport and participants in community life.

There is tremendous good will on the part of many residents like myself. Unfortunately Immigration Minister Andrews has a deaf ear to all but the redneck element in our society. His comments have incited sporadic racial abuse and violence against Africans by the emboldened and well organised groups of neo-fascists and neo-conservative academics/religious fundamentalists who seek to give 'legitimacy'to the Ministers decision to cut back African refugees.

Some concerned Sudanese have been meeting in community groups to work out the best way to respond to racists and Minister Andrews. Non-violence is key. Learning how Australian politics is practiced, letter writing to candidates, participation in protests, polical networking and learning verbal self defence are all elements of the agenda on how be heard.

Whilst an Afican-oz politician maybe a few years away, white Australia proponants whould be aware that the freedom train has already departed and from here its full speed ahead.

Off topic I'll grant, but what in the hell has gone wrong with you: the poster formerly? currently? known as Daggett?

You think I'm being sarcastic? Who are you??

The original Daggett did not post in the manner in which you are.

Seriously; have you had some sort of a breakdown?
Now someone else ALSO is posting for you!

...........ummm;..please explain?

Rainier,

You don't have to have met everybody in a community for there to be a community. Again, let me use Japan as an example. You can travel around Japan and there will be some diversity of speech and culture from place to place, but all the same you'll know that you're inhabiting the same national community.

It isn't imagined, it's real.

Therefore, it makes sense for someone living in Nagasaki to believe that they are part of the same national community as someone living in Nara. If the Nagasakian travels to Nara he'll experience a few different things, but a lot of similar things as well, familiar to him as part of the national culture. He'll recognise the people in Nara, even if he's not met them before, as being members of his own national community.

This adds something very positive to our identity; to our sense of attachment to place and people; to our sense of responsibility for maintaining community standards; to our affinity with the history and culture of our nation; to our willingness to sacrifice for a common good.

I fear that, applied to the mainstream, your "ontology of diversity" would lead to an acultural consumerism. Safe but empty.

"OTOH, it wouldn't be unreasonable to suppose that if Australia had not opened its borders, we would today be a small, uninteresting and largely irrelevant nation with a modest economy, at serious risk of military invasion by any one of our neighbours who couldn't resist all that empty space."

Bollocks. It is the big lie that Australia would have disintegrated/been invaded without mass immigration. Another opinion could be that Australians would be enjoying much higher living standards without high immigration. Repeatedly making these silly assertions does not add to their credibility. It only shows how faith based the belief in the benefit of immigration is. It would be nice to be surprised with a credible argument instead of the usual "Immigration saves!" liturgy, but I guess that would be far too much to hope for.