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Labor’s IR policy creates a dangerous apartheid : Comments

By Felicity McMahon, published 3/9/2007

Labor’s industrial relations plan destroys choice and removes returns for hard work.

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Some posters seem intent on impressing us with their wit, yet only the letter t separates them from reality.
If you look a little closer you will see the same radical ideas that took away Howard's massive mandate and poll lead.
Blindly ignoring the public will never share their views but still talking as if only they understand, well they in fact have no understanding.
A lifetime of trade unionism has not blinded me to reality, not made me unaware of the simple fact some unions by their actions are the enemy of workers.
That my party the ALP while to me is the only current option is not perfect.
But what is the aim of the blind and often uninformed hate toward ALL UNIONS?
And toward every ALP action?
I think Julie is far too impressed with his/her own wit or is it spelled twit?
And just maybe unable to understand any issue.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 7 September 2007 3:11:06 PM
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Lay off Julie Vickers. Can’t you see that she is sending up Felicity McMahon and the Liberals? Look at how ridiculous her language is:
“Now look here….Bully Boy Unionists gave unreasonable information….The Workplace Fact Sheet which gives you your rights and obligations….because Barbara Emmett assures us. Our Government would not pay large sums of money for adverts and tell us untruth….”
(Wednesday, 5 September 2007 1:24:31 AM)

“Now Look John Howard has been misunderstood.
We have nothing against Collective Bargaining….give our Companies a chance to make their profits. $16 dollars an hour is a reasonable wage and Carers should think their selves lucky that they have a job. It is important that Companies do make big profits….We cannot allow Trade Unions to have right of Entry to check on other employees wages….their devotion to the Company and their supervisor. It is not logical that all employees should earn the same money for doing the same job….All this rubbish that some teachers have to teach in hard to teach schools. This is why we must bring in Performance Management on teachers so that The(sic) Principal(sic) can favour who they want for promotion and higher pay. We must have all teachers on individual work place agreements….Behavour(sic) Management is the responsibility of the class teacher and not the Principal, Deputy or Head of Department.
(Wednesday, 5 September 2007 1:44:26 AM)

“Here we have organised labour and that is not good for prosperity and profits….Foxtel needs to reduce the rental charge to bombard their viewers regarding the management of our economy and the dangers once the Trade Unions hold our country to ransom.”
(Thursday, 6 September 2007 11:37:06 PM)

“We need to do a lot more to destroy Trade Unionism and seperate(sic) them from all other workers.”
(Friday, 7 September 2007 1:13:13 AM)

I know the Liberals have moved to the Right, but no real Liberal would go over the top like this.
Posted by Chris C, Friday, 7 September 2007 4:02:04 PM
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Belly a great advantage of unionism, which many people who can negotiate their own working conditions overlook, is that they are negotiating for better conditions than those available under the award.

This means that if all union members work a 38 hour week with penalty rates for overtime, shift work and week end work then a worker signing a contract should make damn sure that their pay exceeds the pay they would get under a union award and their hours of work are better.

A classic example of this in action is the 17% leave loading which many white collar workers are/were entitled to. The leave loading was initially paid to Carlton & United Brewery workers so that they could afford to take their annual leave, to reduce the level of industrial accidents occurig on site when workers returned from "annual leave". Prior to the leave loading being granted the brewery workers used to work during their holiday break because they needed to make up the additional income they usually got from shift rate penalties.

Another example is the first group of female workers who got unpaid maternity leave entitlements were teachers whose unions negotiated that right about 25 years ago.

If you don't have strong unions then all workers will have worse conditions.

Examples of weak unions are those covering rag trade employees, shop assistants and bank officers. Bank tellers in the banking chamber are employed for 5 hour shifts, to avoid meal break entitlements.
Posted by billie, Friday, 7 September 2007 4:07:05 PM
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You know i am really trying to work out who are you trying to kid

Kevin Rudd has already told business to make awa's for five years.
So awa's will not be going away.

If wages go up will all labor supporters still support these australian companies or buy their stuff from overseas.

Wages go up the cost of product goes up

People cannot afford to buy australian as cheap imports comming in

What we get is high unemployment
Bankrupsies as people are layed off due to company going broke

Or is this all about the unions and union fees

Is it this is just about a pay rise for the union masters.

I can see what is happening but hey since you lot are so smart and believe what these parties and unions tell you it may just take you longer to understand the other part of the picture.

No australian companies no jobs.
No jobs less taxes
Less taxes lower benefits
Lower benefits, what now labor and what once was the unions.
No union fees people need to eat

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton
Posted by tapp, Friday, 7 September 2007 9:30:23 PM
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Tapp, the cost of products rises because the corporate profits are rising faster than the level of wages.

Any financial planner trying to get you to invest in the stock market will tell you that profits are as high a proportion of GDP as they have ever been and their share keeps rising. Wages on the other hand are a falling share of GDP.

When companies ship their product across an international boundary they have the opportunity to sell the product from the company it was produced in at a low price to their shell company incorporated in Nauru. The Nauru holding company onsells the product at an artificially high price to the australian consumer. Whats the advantage, the company takes its profit in the jurisdiction with the lowest taxing regime.

So Stuart Ulrich if you want to keep jobs in Asutralia think about taxing companies on turnover not profits as well as increasing tarriffs.

A basic lesson of Economics 101 was that America was an economic powerhouse in the early twentieth century because its workers had high enough disposable incomes to be able to purchase goods so that companies could sell their product to domestic consumers rather than having to export their product.

Companies will find that as Workchoices forces wages down that consumers will no longer have the money for that cup of coffee, take away lunch, new shirt or jeans. In short when wages fall then consumption will fall, people will still need to eat but they don't need $160 Country Road jeans when the same article is $40 in Target.

If the ALP get in then people on existing AWAs can stay on them for 5 years but new hires would be hired under an award or a common law contract. Do you think that AWAs would have to be dismantled after 5 years or would people on AWAs move to new positions with better pay and conditions. Keeping AWAs for 5 years is a very hollow assurance.

Or vote Liberal and find out what Senator Nick Minchin has in store as Workchoices Mark 2.
Posted by billie, Friday, 7 September 2007 11:32:49 PM
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Hey remember it is rudd who told business to fix it for another five years.

Instead of them running out rudd is not looking after them by labor or union standards.

Look at the business some dont make that much profit and only just make payments.
But then that is all about the worker.

The more we get rid of small business the faster the larger ones take ie target.

What you will get is no small business big business will buy overseas as they want big profits.

Higher wagers equals less australian product
Higher wages equals less work
more unemployment.

The unions are worried about their own jobs and not the workers, just look at NSW transport and privatisation.
The unions knew but didnt stand up for the workers, now jobs will be lost just for the sake of labor in power.

My spelling stiff, i dont care what the party thinks.
What i say is honest and straight.
And if all you can winge about is my spelling then you really are pathetic and have no idea.

I will call a spade a spade.

Stuart Ulrich
Independent Candidate for Charlton
swulrich@bigpond.net.au
Posted by tapp, Saturday, 8 September 2007 12:05:23 PM
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