Belly,

At no time am I saying that we shouldn't bring to task those who have been doing wrong, whether black or white. However I want to make sure that those who would lay the blame only at the black door don't allow the whites who have been aiding and abetting the problems to get away.

There has to be a whole community approach to the problems. Just saying "we'll save the children" does nothing if you don't save the adults as well.

Arjay, yours was the only response to Steve Hagan’s piece (Thursday, 20 January 2005 9:38:15 PM) which argue that the demise of ATSIC has removed the voting rights of Indigenous Australians.

Your wrote:

o The leaders of the Aboriginal community have to top shooting the messenger.Anglo Saxions pay a high price for their material luxuries. We no longer have the extended family,and have little trust in the few relationships that give us solice,thanks to a perverted legal system. Traditional Aborigines had no concept of Australia as a continent.Like Eurpoeans they were murdering each other for advantage and survival.The Romans and Vikings invaded England,the Spanish invaded Ireland,what makes the Aborigines such a special case? To give the Aborigines special treatment is treating them as inferior beings.Thus we have destroyed them with handouts to appease our consciences. Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 20 January 2005 9:38:15 PM

Does this mean you just like going off half cocked when any of the articles are about Aboriginal people and issues? A good racist rant?

Or is this indicative of the early onset of dementia?

Can asking me over and again to share the blame for the disgusting way these people sometimes live change anything?
Yes we know it is our fault white Australia is to blame.
Not for taking kids from homes, yes sometimes that crime was just that a crime, sometimes it was from a home not fit for a dog, sometimes it saved lives.
Right now the only difference is we ignore that some homes are still like that but do not give the kids a chance.
200 years plus and so very many can not write or understand English.
Some can not understand either white mans law or Aboriginal law
White man by his actions is the blame, stop sit down money now, only the aged should get social welfare.
Stop building new homes that are destroyed in half the time it took to build them.
Stop our fear of being called racist and applied the law equally to all.
accountability, education, work not dole, and except it, screaming racism at whites is just a bl@2dy lie.
Children being raped? and its always white mans fault?
it shames all those who failed to act not those who did.

Belly,

Seriously take a deep breath. When have I ever accused you personally of being responsible for the problems in Aboriginal communities? I haven't

What I have said is that a blanket shaming of every aboriginal in the Northern Territory is not helpful and is probably counter productive because you end up lumping the good in with the bad.

I have also said that concentrating solely on the Aboriginal offenders is just plain dumb, because there is ample evidence that at the very least they are being facilitated by white people (again NOT ACCUSING YOU OF ANYTHING).

If you want to debate real solutions then lets do it, and I am not doubting your passion or depth of feelings about this issue, however a level head is required to really fix the problems.

'How would you feel if there was a law which made it OK for you to be discriminated against because of your race?'

The laws are because of the state of their communities, not their skin colour.

If the government found an area full of *white* Australian citizens, with identical problems, it would have every right to step in and do something.

The fact these citizens are white would mean *nothing*.
Why does it only *mean* something if the people are black?

Tom Calma (who works in the fields of "social justice" and "race discrimination". Uh-oh!) claims no consultation has occurred, but knows very well HREC has been consulting with Aboriginal communities for *years* about these problems.

Maybe these measures are hasty, but should we wait for the problems to get worse, because the bureacrats haven't got enough "data"?

Too bad for little Timmy, you can just keep getting raped by your uncle while an inquiry gathers *information*.

Unintended negative consequences? This is inevitable!
The outcome of any action is to some extent unpredictable.
Doing *nothing* produces unintended negative consequences.

The "dignity" of those affected by the measures?
Where's the dignity of the molested child? The drunk in the gutter?

The reason the government hasn't addressed this until it reached breaking point is precisely because people like Calma have attacked any previous attempts by government to "help" Aboriginals.

Stolen generation? More like "protected"!
"Steal" Timmy now!

kartiya jim, saying there's something wrong with Noel Pearson and Warren Mundine agreeing with whites is the most perverse example of upside-down inside-out racism I've ever heard!

To be genuinely "black" they must automatically disagree with "whites"?

Surely both men, being Aboriginal, are quite entitled to form any opinion they want about their own people.

FrankGol vaguely states "the intervention is really about something else".
"It goes further than ideology. But the evidence won't be clear for a while".

Just what sinister conspiracy is at hand, FrankGol?
Don't be shy.

It's Auschwitz, right? The final solution?

Of course, you won't say that. That would make you a *nutcase*.

Shockadelic ,

As reported in the Australian on AUG 29 John Howard said at Hermannsberg that the Federal Government had a "SPECIAL AIM" with the Intervention.

That "their future can only be as part of the Mainstream of the Australian Community ".

He then went on to say that "Unless they can get a share of the Bounty of this great and prosperous country, their future will be bleak ".

All I can say is that it appears that John Howard, after refusing to Apologise to Indigenous People for past Injustices and the Theft of the Country that sustained them for Thousands of years , now expects them to buy it back and join in with the White Invaders to "get a share of the bounty ".