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Legitimising white supremacy : Comments

By Irene Watson, published 28/8/2007

The belief in European supremacy legitimised the violent theft of all things Aboriginal.

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CJ....

su·prem·a·cy /səˈprɛməsi, sʊ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-prem-uh-see, soo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the state of being supreme.
2. supreme authority or power.

Like I said.. if ur going to act like a dill...don't so it so publically :)

annnnnd...of course you could not let common sense speak without trying to destroy it with your 'seig heil' thingy...

So...lets review.

1/ Supremacy= authority or power.. NOT "Superiority" in a qualitative sense CHECK.
2/ My statement is inclusive and non racist, yet you 'mischief' make with 'seig heil'.. CHECK...

yep..ur true to malicious form :)

Ranier.... you're still on your favorite bandwagon, and to the extent that what you say is 'true' "coppers bashing you cos ur black" I'm on the same page. But you should be arguing that with the appropriate people.. who is going to disagree with you here about that ? I sure wont.

The SOLUTION is attitude change.. perhaps that can be acheived by 'black' you and 'white' me standing together outside a police station and raising this as an issue ?
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 3 September 2007 4:35:24 PM
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BD,

Jesus told me to be patient with you so I am. He also told me that I shouldn't blame him for people like you.

Said something like 'God created man and now man is creating God'...

kinda sez it all really...
Posted by Rainier, Monday, 3 September 2007 5:35:31 PM
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BD, I doubt that Mal Brough is acting to change attitudes, it's more like his acting entrench prejudices with the following actions

1. compulsory acquistion of aboriginal assets worth more than $400,000 like the Alice Springs Shopping Centre, the largest car dealership in Central Australia

2. Compulsorily acquire land in Darwin

3. Use surveys done by his mates in SE Qld that exclude large slabs of aboriginal population and include mining tenements and Gove Airport. Nabalco are impressed

4. pay aboriginal interpreters $100 per day to a maximum of $1500. The interpreters have to understand and explain the legal documents that must be understood by guardians to gain legal consent to perform medical checks on aboriginal children. The "volunteer" medical staff are paid $165 per medical examination

5. Fire all aboriginals from paying jobs so that they are on the dole so their wages can be garnisheered to protect their children from drink and pornography.

If you really are interested in getting children to attend school, do what the Red Cross does in Dandenong, provide breakfast for the children.
Posted by billie, Monday, 3 September 2007 6:25:20 PM
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Boaz, you are short-changing us with your definition.

>>su·prem·a·cy...

1. the state of being supreme.
2. supreme authority or power.<<

According to the Oxford English Dictionary:

1. The condition of being supreme in authority, rank or power; position of supreme or highest authority or power

2. Supreme position in achievement, character or estimation.

That second definition somewhat reduces the impact of your claim to injured innocence, does it not?

Especially when you add the word "white", to create "white supremacy" which, as you know, produces "white supremacist". Of which the OED states:

"A. sb. One who believes in the supremacy of one of the races or of either of the sexes or of any other social group

B adj. That is a supremacist. Orig. and freq. preceded by defining word: see also male supremacist s.v MALE sb 4. white supremacist s.v. WHITE a 11e"

Notice this: this is not an abstract "accident of history" as you originally claimed. It is, categorically a state of mind, an idea, a feeling, a judgment, held by an individual about themselves and about like-thinking individuals.

No amount of bluster, or fudging reality, or attempts to pervert the English language, can deflect the obvious charge against you of blatant racism.

>>Like I said.. if ur going to act like a dill...don't so it so publically :)<<

Now that is simply arrogant, isn't it?

>>...of course you could not let common sense speak without trying to destroy it with your 'seig heil' thingy.<<

Common sense, Boaz? You have no understanding of the term.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 3 September 2007 6:36:51 PM
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Hi there Pericles..

The word supremacy, has a positional meaning, while at the same time a allowing a qualitative, if USED in that way.

"Supriority" I suppose could be used with the same dual meaning, though I think the weight in that case is clearly on the qualitative rather than positional.

"I am superior to you" is a statement of quality but can mean rank.
"I am supreme over you" is about rank.

Nevertheless... let's NOT get bogged down in tight semantics and get BACK to the real issue, and nail down a meaning for the sake of THIS discussion hey ?

"Supremacy" in a power sense.

I maintain, that 'white' supremacy or BLACK supremacy or YELLOW supremacy in terms of that meaning, is not NECCESSARILY a bad thing.
There is 'Black' supremacy in South Africa now.. and in Zimbabwe...
Formerly in Zimbabwe it was 'White' supremacy.

In an ideal world, no mention or consideration of skin color should exist. UNfortunately, skin color is often connected to power relationships, pressure groups and so on.

When people organize themselves along 'skin color' lines for the:

-Benefit of 'their' group and
-Detriment of 'the other' group... then, no matter who is in charge is is BAD.

The point is, in a country where you have 90% 'white' people...you have by default 'White'Supremacy....and due to the small number of minority groups, there is little likelihood that legislation would be focused on the benefit of whites and the detriments of blacks or non whites.. EXCEPT... where those minority groups seek to exercise MORE than their democratic rights would reasonably allow.

If a group is calling for 'Prayer Rooms and Ablutions' for 'their' particular faith at secular Universities, they are going beyond their democratic rights and should be stopped.
If Christians asked for a chapel or specifically 'Christian' prayer room at a University, they are doing likewise and should be stopped.

It is not 'racist' white supremacy which stops either group from exceeding their valid rights, it is GOVERNMENT, which just happens to be predominantly white.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 8:36:43 AM
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Boaz, all this wriggling around semantics is very reminiscent of the lengths to which you go to avoid the racist implications of your "Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Führer" party - I'm sorry I can't recall the exact phrase you use, the connotations are simply so blatant, the only label that I recall accurately is this one.

Is it coincidence?

Is it simply an accident of history that you advocate both "Ein Reich" and "white supremacy"?

Can it be that you are so naive, or so wilfully blind to the effect these phrases have on others, that you simply "happened" on them both?

But even if we ignore this particular elephant in the room, what on earth is behind this twaddle?

>>If a group is calling for 'Prayer Rooms and Ablutions' for 'their' particular faith at secular Universities, they are going beyond their democratic rights and should be stopped.
If Christians asked for a chapel or specifically 'Christian' prayer room at a University, they are doing likewise and should be stopped<<

Why?

What possible harm can either of these do? If there is room, and the demand is there, and if people are as equable, tolerant and understanding of individual needs as they usually are, what on earth can you dream up as a reason to prevent it?

It is blind prohibitions like this, not the generosity of spirit that allows them, that create tensions.

>>It is not 'racist' white supremacy which stops either group from exceeding their valid rights, it is GOVERNMENT, which just happens to be predominantly white.<<

I have no idea what you consider "valid rights" Boaz, perhaps you could spend some time explaining this before you rush around banning perfectly harmless activities.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 9:51:09 AM
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