"Change the words but murder is murder."

Well Runner, next time that you ejaculate, for your own sordid
pleasure, I hope that you will feel terribly guilty! :)

For as you say, murder is murder! Millions of little sperms
will die, murdered by you!

They are human and they are also beings. Hopefully
you will have some sleepless nights over these many
murders. :)

Actually I think womb rental with proper surrogacy laws in place to protect the mans financial investment would be a good idea and reduce the number of abortions and unwanted children women have

Yabby

I think you see some basic biology lessons!

Its all about ME.

And whatever l say about me is so.

Why cant we just admit these things about ourselves.

Miss_Allaneous “Of all people, Margaret Tighe would have more compassion for the pregnant women than anyone else.”

One of the defining characteristics of “compassion” is “respect”.

Denying a woman the right to exercise sovereignty over her own body is a denial of “respect”.

Compassion without “respect” is merely “patronising”.

No one likes to be “patronised” but that is all that Margaret Tighe really stands for.

Runner “If abortion was used as such a convenience a couple of decades ago most of the posters might not even have a say on the issue.”

You know unless I am mistaken, it was.

Legal or not, abortion laws have been broken repeatedly since their inception. I would note, prior to the first half of the nineteenth century “abortion” was not legislated against.

The purpose of abortion laws were intended to protect the pregnant women (and not foetuses) from charlatan physicians who had peddled abortions services for centuries, at a time when the nearest thing to a “contraceptive” was something fashioned from the entrails of a sheep.

As for “who and when”, maybe some posters would not be here, maybe you, for instance.

When we think about it, recognising that intercourse does not presume pregnancy, the only reason anyone is here is an event of nature which might well have required an alignment of the planets (as much as the thrusting of the hips).

As it is “murder” is not “abortion” and “abortion” is not “murder”.

Just go to dictionary.com.

Each is defined and neither refers to the other in there respective definitions.

Whilst it might convenience your hyperbole to pretend they are the same, the fact is, “murder” is an action directed against an individual or several individuals.

A foetus is not an individual.

A foetus is, undeniably, adjoined to, indivisible from and subordinate to, the pregnant woman in whom it is developing and does not represent a “separate” identity / entity at any time prior to the moment of birth.

A fact acknowledged by the issue of a birth certificate (noting there is no “conception certificate”).

Well Col Rouge, thank God for Dictionary.com!

If Dictionary.com says it, it must be so!

Murder is the name the state gives to the crime of killing someone. Effectively, abortion is no longer a crime, so it is not murder.

However, in any state or nation and time in history, abortion will always be the killing of a life. Abortion = killing and that's a fact, no matter what dictionary.com might have to say about it.