Hi Huffnpuff,I was not referring to you or anyone on this site when i commented about some people abusing their right to sue.I was just stating that some will try.
I was talking to a midwife recently and she said that she'd never seen so many 11 &12 year old girls having babies.Wonder if that could have anything to do with the $4000 they receive for giving birth.Having seen many young girls interviewed on tv saying that was the case,i wonder if legal action could be taken against the federal govt for encouraging promiscuity and carnal knowledge.Maybe the govt should have put an age limit on those receiving the benefit.Hope what i just wrote is not libellous.I can foresee these same girls suing the govt later on because their lives were ruined by the promise of easy money.My quota is up for today.Bye all.

Haygirl, I can understand what you are trying to say about young girls having babies, but constitutionally the Federal Government cannot discriminate between a baby born to a female on age. If you allow this kind of legislation then it will be misused and abused on other issues also.
Neither can it be argued that the Federal Government somehow “for encouraging promiscuity and carnal knowledge” could be liable, as I am not aware that this is any kind of the Federal Governments message, either directly or indirectly.
The fact that there is an invalid pension payable is hardly for anyone going to sue the Federal Government for having encouraged someone to become an invalid!
As a taxpayer I rather have that a young girl has the baby even if this meaning to pay for it on social welfare then to somehow cause her to have an abortion!
Sure, it would be better to have young girls avoiding pregnancies but in reality we can control that as much as we can control the rain!
As for Wilma’s story there might be a twist onto matters that in view that the Constitution Act 1902 (NSW) actually was unconstitutional and so ULTRA VIRES because there never was a State referendum held to approve or veto this Constitution Act 1902 (NSW) then the purported legislation authorising her placement itself may be ULTRA VIRES. By federation, “sovereign parliaments” became “constitutional parliaments” and as such no longer had any legislative powers to amend their constitutions. They can only propose amendments and leave it up to the State elector to approve or veto such constitutional amendment.
In my view, those placed in “CARE” may therefore argue that it was without legal authority and be able to sue where otherwise a Minister may hide behind legislation having validly allowed their “CARE”.

Col Rouge,is it true that you were or a prison warder.Some scuttlebutt going around says so.If it's not true,you should make haste to say so.

haygirl.

"Col Rouge,is it true that you were or a prison warder.Some scuttlebutt going around says so.If it's not true,you should make haste to say so."

Hi haygirl

I have been employed within a prison, I am not and never have been a prison warder. Not everyone who works within prisons are warders.

However, my views on most things, were formulated well before the time I did work within a prison. Spending sometime observing the goings on inside, merely confirmed those views. Most seriously, that we are all responsible for the consequences of our own actions and often the difference between a criminal offence and no offence is recognition of those consequences.

I also have family members who have spent time inside, some as prisoners (culpable driving), others as warders and prison management staff including professional educators who have spent a big part of their life doing their best to help prisoners acquire the skills which will allow them to work in a viable alternative to the criminal lifestyle.

Thanks Col.Someone sent me an email and i thought i should get you to clarify the situation.I haven't found any of your posts to be a problem.Just wanted to find out.Actually it would probably be beneficial if a warder or someone in authority from a gaol,put their opinion forward.We could then hear what it's like on the other side.I know what i was like as a juvenile offender and i'm glad i wasn't in charge in any of those places.Some of us gave the officers a real hard time.Unfortunately some of the officers were real bastards also.Thanks again.

hmmm...

Ok so then col was previously a worker in a prison... and has had members of family imprisoned.

OK so obviously child care is the same thing right?

No wonder the system is what it is and was what it was... when people who have been through the welfare system in the 20th century and can identify an ex-prison worker as the main source of their 'care'!

And that sits well with people?

and people should just get on with it?

What amazes me is that it is CHILDREN that are being talked about.

not criminals
not adults

Children, little people.

and yet there is still the expectation that children would have the mentality to conform, not rebel, not run away, put up with abuse, recover from the abuse with no aftercare or support...

Amazing considering the cotton wool that children are wrapped in today, that people can still shrug off what was done in the past and blame it on the children.

Babies... that's all they were... babies..

The most vulnerable members of society....

and yet we will not acknowledge or listen and learn from the mistakes, we will just keep shoving it under the rug, ignoring it until it goes away, and if it gets too loud we will just attack it to shut it up.

Well I hope noone from that generation/s who endured our nations care ever shuts up. I hope they get louder and stronger. I hope their voices are heard and listened to.

But as a wise woman once said...

if they dont get it they just dont get it.