todd harper should know better than to ramble off figures without discussiing errors, all studies have, and probability that the conclusion does not represent the fact in community...

Firstly, no study can be done without removing instrinsic 'benefits' that result from domenstic violence use...eg father removed from family home and children isolated with mother made dominant parent with total power, authority and control over child...with automatic child support harrassment and and that dv order has great legal standing in famiy court...all done by the 'govenment' using tax payers money for women against men and children...and all it took the women to start all this was a phone call...and while at it remove legal principles of evidence in court like cross examination...and the chance of identifying women abusing this law for unbalanced self interest is almost totally removed...took a lot of corrupting to achieve this...

so say if law was passed that said the parent who has the child has to maintain the child solely at their expence...what percentage of women will be wanting to have the children...I have asked so many fathers this question and the answer was almost none...why cant this issue become a study to base new laws on...its will be a uphill battle all the way,,,just like law to allow a men to have children without being in a relationship with women at law ie surrogacy...yep...there is an element that has so far been acting to benefit women and avoiding public scrutiny...my guess is women+crown corporation...

what to do...the obvious...which is we men should always keep our power of reasoning at the cutting edge and assess everything being thrown at us...to see the deciet in face of whats been given and ability to see the fact behind the screen...and why the deceit is required...

It seems the final conclusion is that men need to become an effectively oraganized corporation themselves looking after their sole interest to counter-balance this negative force acting against us in the area of our children...or things are set to get much worse...

Sam

The politics of gender studies never fails to entertain. Men are this and women are that. A friend of mine is a policeman and he tells me domestic calls are the worst. According to him most women call the police not to punish their spouse but to win the argument that started the verbal and physical nonsense in the first place. They want an arbitrator. If it's a female complainant then she is encourage to press charges. If it's a male. He's encouraged to take a walk around the block and let the wife cool down. If there are children in the house the man is usually taken from the house. If he's the cause, for the sake of the wife and children. If he's not, for the sake of the wife and children. Women are rarely arrested and almost never taken from the home. Don't listen to me or look to stats. Ask a cop. They answer a number of domestic calls every day. Of course you'll want to talk with them off the record. They have political policies on gender to follow too.

HRS, I cannot believe that in 2007 there are still neanderthals like you walking (or crawling) the earth.
If you were in an incident of violence where the perpetrator broke every bone in your body but conveniently avoided your eye area, does this mean you were not assaulted?
Violence, against women, men, animals, anything must not be tolerated for any reason.
Go back to your padded cell where you might be safe....well, hang on, you'd still have yourself to worry about.

In The Australian of July 13, 2007, a prominent criminologist published research showing that violence in aboriginal communities was caused by alcohol. Here is a clip from the article:

"ALCOHOL abuse has been pinpointed as the most explicit cause of violence and sexual abuse in Aboriginal communities in an analysis of national crime statistics to be released today.

A report by one of Australia's leading criminologists, NSW Bureau of Crime Research and Statistics director Don Weatherburn, names alcohol as the overwhelming reason indigenous people become victims of violence.

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The report, which analyses national Australian Bureau of Statistics data, finds the chances of an indigenous person becoming a victim of violence doubles when that person regularly consumes large amounts of alcohol.

In a paper to be presented at the Australian Social Policy Conference today, Dr Weatherburn has supported a push by Aboriginal activist Noel Pearson for dry communities, blaming alcohol for violence almost entirely.

The research finds alcohol abuse is not just a symptom of other social problems, it is the heart of the problem."

Now for all I know, the Vic Dept of Health could be bristling with criminologists and maybe Todd is breaking new ground, but it seems to me that his health bureaucrats just might be looking at a symptom not a cause. If so, one wonders for how long taxpayers have to put up with the wastage of public funds on redundant, ill-directed public 'research' and on scare campaigns that only serve to divide the community.

Fair dinkum, we have managed to divide the Aboriginal community with ill-conceived speculation about their men and culture being predisposed towards violence and now, having learned nothing, the same is being done to men generally. Shock, horror headlines from public bodies must be about about empires and funding, because they rarely contribute anything by way of solutions.

Goddess,
I would regard what you have said as being abuse.

Bronwyn Pike, Victoria's Vic Health Minister say she is concerned about alcohol abuse and has earmarked funds to counter the toll of drugs and booze. This is from her website:

"Mental health and drug and alcohol agencies across Victoria will share in an extra $14 million to upgrade services, facilities, equipment and training. This additional funding delivers on the commitment the Bracks Government made to Victorians to meet the challenges of substance abuse and invest in the services that matter to the community."

That is not much money to counter drugs including alcohol but it is better than nothing. The dollars would achieve more if there was effective liaison, cooperation and coordination between governments.

When you think about it, it is ridiculous that we blow money nationally on such advertising as "Australia Says No" when we would be far better off targeting the socially acceptable drug that is the cause of the violence. Government collects millions from alcohol taxes each year yet only a pittance is put towards encouraging responsible consumption of alcohol and providing youth with other diversions.

Binge drinking by youth at clubs and pubs is commonplace and events like Schoolies legitimise the connection between booze and having a good time. We have allowed kiddy starter drinks combining fruit flavours and alcohol. Parents routinely supply underage students with booze for parties. Booze carries none of the warnings carried by (say) tobacco.

Maybe we could drop the red herring of gender and give some thought to the connection between youth, booze and violence. Who knows, maybe we might reduce other problems too such as crime.