Paull, I was hoping to forget about you and your kind. You are certainly no true historian who are taught to regard the knowledge of history and philosophy as vital to international relations.

Would guess you are not that old, either - meaning you are not one of the pre-WW2 brigade who survived the Great Depression.

Your poor conception of history is also shown by the way you regard the mustard gas slaughter of 50,000 Iraqis in 1920, as simply just Old Pap.

Indeed, you seem to regard the older Iraqis as uneducated when even under the tyrant, Saddam, there where educational facilities of very high standards.

That is why what is left of the older Iraqis, especially the Sunnis, certainly did not come down in the last shower, Paull. That is why they have called some of their revolutionary groups the 1920's Brigade for the obvious reason that they want all Westerners out, especially the Yanks and the Brits. Remember that bin Laden is a also a Sunni who became a tyrant mainly because of Western intrusion into Saudi Arabia - and even as Mubarek of Egypt, though even now an American puppet, ejaculated to a Western reporter when asked what was the real trouble in the Middle East?

Simply Western intrusion and injustice - was the curt reply.

Still say you have a lot to learn, matey, only wish I didn't have to put up with your kind. Reminds me too much of muddle-brained Georgie Boy Bush.

Cheers - BB - WA

Bushbred, you are clearly intolerant of anyone who does not hold your worldview. Your personal attacks remind me that most soft-left rhetoric relies on emotion and not evidence. It is supreme arrogance on your behalf to pretend you have all the answers. Your guesses aren’t worth the brain space they take up. I know that plenty of people to the right of me wish they didn’t have to share the world with people who hold your views either. However I don’t share that feeling. You clearly should have manners on your list of things to learn

I am debating your historical points on their merits. Its up to you to show me evidence that I am wrong. But don’t quote me the guardian opinion pages as evidence. However, if you only have time to preach to the choir I can fully understand. That’s fairly typical of the soft-left.

Your attempt to paint the current 1920’s brigade as anything other than a minor blip on the radar screen of the current Iraq war is an attempt to obfuscate. They are a VERY SMALL group. Their only relevance is symbolic. The numbers of Iraqis belonging to sectarian groups massively dwarfs the 1920’s brigade membership.

Your favorite piece of leftist garbage “ The guardian” has only 9000 Iraqis killed in 1920. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,939608,00.html. Only a very small proportion of these people were killed by mustard gas. If you have evidence for slaughter of 50,000 Iraqis by mustard gas show me. I honestly have found no mention of it anywhere. I am willing to admit I might be wrong. Which is, I suspect, something you are not willing to countenance.

Your attempt to blame the west for Bin Laden is crude and unworthy. Are American bases in Saudi a good enough reason to kill innocent civillians? Why doesn’t bin laden take on the Saudis for this? Whatever the cause of bin Laden despotism, this cannot excuse his acts.

Get a life, Paull. You are simply on the wrong track, as George W' and his gang have already proven to be. Admittedly the 50,000 Iraqis I mentioned slaughtered in 1920, was only about a force being mustard gassed. Could bet many more than the 9000 or so killed, would have died a slow death, however.

Paull, it has been mentioned recently, how persons from the bush think more deeply than city people. The blame in the city rat-race, being on electronic means of communication which can cause people to decide too quickly, rather than spend many many hours contemplating on a single strategic topic.

That is the way the your world has become, Paull, similar to the way you regard comments about the shameful actions of Western colonial brigandry simply as fleeting elements of the past.

Certainly that also typifies the mindset of the Bush regime, the massive multiple of war potential behind them confusing their mentalities to the extent they have become even more inhuman with comments like - shock and awe for their enemies - than the terrorists they revile so much.

Israel is caught in the same trap now with its ultra-sohisticated nuclear hardware, in some ways one feeling sorry for them that they have become almost as right-wing as the Nazis who were so inhumanly cruel to them.

As I mentioned, Paull, Iraqis did not come down in the last shower, indeed, they have a history scads more historically intellectual than we have.

The socialist, as bushy here, conveniently forget the fact that Nazi's were socialist and unionist, and hide that fact behind the label 'right-wing', rather than acknowledge German national socialism. (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) National Socialist German Workers' Party. A rename of the old DAP, (German Workers Party). Hitler's wanted to rename the (NSDAP) the Social Revolutionary Party.
It's ironic that folks like bushy always want to foster the label nazi on people like G.W.Bush who's political thinking is diametrically opposed to any socialist. Ol' bushy holding up socialism as a glorious future waiting for Australians. And people wonder why the string has unraveled and money and masses of it is the only insurance of individual freedom tomorrow. The rest will be managed by the state as the state sees fit. Imagine, just like 1940's Germany. The rich living in decadence and the rest scrounging for the dropped bits.

Bushbred, I simply cannot believe after your have castigated me, numerous times, as not being a true historian you have the gall to ‘bet’ on what you think might have happened in 1920’s Iraq. All the sources I have explored suggest a maximum of 10,000 casualties for the whole uprising. Mustard Gas, was responsible for very few of these deaths ie 1%. I still cannot find a source which backs up your claim that a group of 50,000 Iraqis was gassed in 1920.

Go right ahead and apply the standards of today’s society to an act which took place nearly 100 years ago if you wish. We both know that using gas in battle in the 1920’s was not considered reprehensible, as it would be today.

In any case, I am sure you don’t believe that we should punish the Muslims for their acts of bastardry from 100 years ago.

I am also from the bush, bushbred I live in NQ, have for most of my life. In any case, your city/country divide is a fallacy. There are just as many ill-informed and reactionary people in the bush as there are in the city. My state kept Joh in power for 25years.

If you knew anything about military tactics you would know that the battles with the least casualties are invariably those in which one side is vastly more capable than the other. Hence shock and awe was an attempt to win quickly and with as few casualties as possible on both sides. The bloodiest wars are fought between enemies of comparable strength.

I was never suggesting that the gassing of the Iraqis was a noble act. I just cannot see how a VERY small group who commemorate the arab uprising has any significance when the VAST majority of insurgents fight for sectarian groups.

Your capacity for self deceit is boundless. To compare Israel to the Nazis is an act of bigotry. 6 million Jews dead in the gas chambers. And people like you would have been supporting the British ban on refugees fleeing to Israel.

Sorry for interupting but this thread from our own 'Muslim Village' website here in Sydney has to be seen to be believed! Check it out;

http://forums.muslimvillage.net/index.php?showtopic=35876

I really can't believe that this sort of sicko religo-mindset still exists in the 21st century, and in Australia of all places. What IS IT with the Muslim brain?

Is it me, or are the responses/posts to the photo of the dead man completely weird, bazaar and inappropriate.

If Islam is not a fruitloop 'Mohammad Cult' I'll eat my hat.