All these many ridiculous damaging crisis that the Howard Government has created such as Iraq War, Housing Affordability, Starving Government Education and Health to prop up Private Education and Health. The destruction of Telstra. The crippling HECS loans that repel graduates and potential teachers. The lack of University places for our young people that go to overseas students that have the money to buy in. The unfair Work Choice laws where by if you are foolish to sign an individual workplace agreement you no longer have any redress because you had signed away your right to an award and you no longer have rights at work that has been fought for by your fore fathers. The big one that overides all of them is one that should be a big NO NO Nuclear Power this is not scare mongering when people are warning us that this is the biggest threat to mankind. We all have been so lucky so far regarding Chernobil, One Mile Island and the recent earth quake in Japan. Do not believe John Howard and Ziggy when they tell us that this is safe it is not safe already these nuclear reactors whether they be fission or fussion they slowly send out a slow death that silently creeps into our bodies whether it be rain droplets or milk intake it is happening creating mutations the world over.

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BY the way , what exactly is the official " swear I die if I lie " position of the labor party ?
will they go for the " oops ,it's signed , we cannot do anything anymore " line
or the " uranium for a NPT violator is not so bad , they could boycott the cricket " line
a reduction in coal exports is probably never going to be mentioned by the member for kingsford smith the ineffably honest P.Garrett

quote from wiki
"Garrett has modified many of his earlier radical views and says he is now a "team player" in the Labor Party. He now supports the U.S.-Australia alliance, and no longer opposes the Joint U.S-Australian Defence Facility at Pine Gap.[3] He says he will argue for environmental causes inside the Labor Party, but will observe the decisions of the ALP caucus, including accepting any decision to change Labor's "no new uranium mines" policy. [4] Garrett's less radical public statements drew criticism from both journalists and Midnight Oil fans, who contrasted Garrett's former pronouncements on environmental and political issues while singer with the band before joing the Australian Labor Party - a notion he has since denounced. [5]

During the 2006 Victorian State election campaign, Garrett urged voters to not vote for the Australian Greens, but for his own Labor Party. This incurred the ire of Greens leader and former Garrett ally, Bob Brown who accused Garrett of having "sold out" and of going against the green movement, since joining the Labor Party. [6]

Although Garrett firmly supports the separation of Church and State, during his time in Parliament, he has commented extensively on the implementation of Christian values and how "personal values should and do inform one's day to day thought processes and decision-making." [7] [8]

In December 2006 Kevin Rudd, the newly-elected Labor Party leader, announced that he planned to appoint Garrett to his frontbench. Garrett was subsequently appointed as Shadow Minister for Climate Change, Environment & Heritage, Arts[4].

dickie ... I'm still waiting for some response on those reactors numbers

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“In fact the IEA (The Institutions of Engineers Australia –for next LOGIC’s references ) argues, on a least-cost strategy, almost two-thirds of cuts to global emissions would come from improving the efficiency of energy use. That's twice the savings from nuclear, clean coal and renewables COMBINED. (2006 World Energy Outlook, The Age, 22/5/07)” by ATOM1

-So far as I am concerned, the IEA-produced paper bears no iron-clad suggestions or recommendations, but in a pure Australian style concludes that in the future Australia is to face nuke-energy deployment anyway. At least, that is what fished from a copy I was provided with.

“And please Chernobyl was not a properly made reactor, it was a Titanic, please no one bring it into the equation. It is irrelevant when discussing properly engineered plant” by LOGIC

-Sorry, I am lost once again. Yes, Titanic was a nice modern ship to wonder New World with. And surely, any nuclear station design has windows for improvements by mutually exchanged technological achievements if such a deed could be done in reality of competition and hatred at mere biological levels internationally, as even some the most developed countries’ internal affairs are not immune from.

Bronco Lane, you did forget mention mere xenophobia and racism well nursed during the Howard Years, rejecting practically talented skilled non-Anglos from all areas but cash-in-hand seven/eleven style temporary part-time positions for the most lucky of these inferior tolerated near public sinks only.

However, speaking of security and safety of nuke industry should clear understand that a heard bypass is not 100% secure either, but necessary and unavoidable stuff.

"dickie, I'm still waiting for some response on those reactor numbers."

Having a bad memory day, Randwick?

You already had a response from me when I advised of your initial errors. You conceded your numbers (though for Canada only) were incorrect and requested that posters again "check the numbers yourself and tell me of my errors, please or tell me if I'm right."

However, after your second failure at accuracy, your statement on reactor numbers remained flawed Randwick, a flaw I refrained from pointing out since you continued to blunder.

You may now play yet another game of "pin the tail on the donkey" without assistance from me!

I say.....wouldn't it be a refreshing change if these nuked up self-proclaimed "engineers" and "mathematicians" addressed or acknowledged some of the documented or scientific issues that other posters and I have raised, rather than nit-picking themselves into a corner?

Michael K, the IEA is the International Energy Agency, not the Institutions of Engineers Australia (lol, as they say).

In any case, the media is finally seeing that 'safeguards' on uranium exports do NOT guarantee inspections anyway; that 'safeguards' DO NOT APPLY to military facilities (such as India's other 8 reactors and the uranium conversion plant at which yellowcake will arrive in China) and that 'safeguards' will facilitate the DIVERSION of domestic reserves to military use, as evidenced by:
"Given India's uranium ore crunch and the need to build up our minimum credible nuclear deterrent arsenal as fast as possible, it is to India's advantage to categorize as many power reactors as possible as civilian ones to be refueled by imported uranium and conserve our native uranium fuel for weapons grade plutonium production." - K. Subrahmanyam, former head of the India's National Security Advisory Board.

Exporting uranium to India not only undermines the (flawed) NPT and removes any leverage Australia could exert on India in that regard, but it contravenes the Treaty of Raratonga and could likely spur Pakistan/China nuclear deals.

http://www.votenuclearfree.net/

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number of nuclear power plants in operation
France 59 nuclear plants , UK 23 ,Germany 17 ,Sweden 10, Spain 8 , Belgium 7, Switzerland 5
Holland 1
also Canada 1



dickie , dickie .... errors ( plural )
green Canada has 18 nuclear reactors , not 1
you haven't checked the numbers , a common garden greeny disease
this is not even controversial and the international atomic energy agency link is as solid as can be
http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/RDS2-26_web.pdf

you cannot see for you do not want to see ,
your snide remarks on trade assistant mark you as a snob , mass produced intellectual of the K-mart universities , who would rather be a popular parrot than a thinking entity
your team is prejudices and superstition ,
not mine