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The (male) elephant in Australian prisons : Comments
By Sandra Bilson, published 24/7/2007Men commit almost all the crime in Australia, but our society is reluctant to openly acknowledge core differences between the sexes.
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Posted by HRS, Monday, 6 August 2007 10:28:33 AM
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"The fact, as revealed by the Australian census, is that men are convicted of serious crimes and imprisoned at a much higher rate than women."
I really don't think the numbers are being disputed. It's churlish of the few to promote the numbers of men vs. the number of women in prison as a gender issue. I'm not sure where feminism fits in the solution to resolving male incarceration rates. Using that gender logic it can be said that there is a higher number of women than men found in shopping malls. Therefore women are genetically predisposed to crimes common to those found among shoppers. Women lie about taking the goods they are caught with. All women are potential shoplifters and outright liars and thieves. Which proves that feminism is an organisation for liars and thieves. We know this using the crime statistics reported by shopping malls and verify it by using the same stats complied by the insurance adjusters. Naturally it's all nonsense, and so is reducing social issues down to gender motives. The average woman is about 5'4" and 120lbs. The average man is 6' and 180lbs. More men are in jail not because of gender but, because of size and personal temperament. If the average sizes were reversed and women were 6' and 180lbs. and men were 5'4" and 120, I am sure the other statistics would be reflected in female rates of incarceration. Would feminist be promoting a study into the negative effects of estrogen on society and female incarceration rates? Size and temperament does matter in crimes of violence but it's not a hard and fast rule. Temperament is probably the constant, if any. Posted by aqvarivs, Monday, 6 August 2007 10:54:38 AM
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MLK: "..a combination of political correctness, culture wars rhetoric and anti-feminism has been poisoning the information well for some time now."
With respect, that is silly. If you are into gender feminism and win/lose then so be it, but it makes it so much harder for others who are trying to be fair and promote understanding. It invites only exasperated responses from men: http://my.opera.com/christianj16/blog/2006/12/20/feminist-lies-make-bad-laws Posted by Cornflower, Monday, 6 August 2007 11:41:32 AM
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Aqvarivs
‘I'm not sure where feminism fits in the solution to resolving male incarceration rates.’ Neither do I, actually. And, I suspect, neither does the author. Instead she is pleading for more collaboration between all the disparate parties who consider they have a stake in the issue. She only touched on the ‘F’ word very briefly – and only as one of the allegorical elephant parts in the Indian fable of ‘The six blind men and the elephant’. http://www.rhythmofbusiness.com/documents/news/The_Elephant_In_The_Room.pdf Each of the blind men can feel only a part of the elephant, and each forms his own separate opinion of what the elephant is. None of them are correct. To truly understand the truth of the being they are each feeling, they must join all their experiences together. CJ Morgan ‘There is little point in arguing with people who deliberately distort the statistical reality [of male incarceration rates] that Bilson describes.’ It does seem that way a lot of the time. But sometimes it’s worth rising to the bait because to say nothing is to endorse their distortions Posted by MLK, Monday, 6 August 2007 6:12:24 PM
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MLK.
I‘m sure the author portrays the male gender so negatively because she is so empathetic towards the male gender. The author also highlights the number of women who have been charged with prostitution, which of course means that female prostitutes have to be studied to find out why females are prostitutes. And author’s like Kathy Lette have to be studied, to find out why feminist write books such as “How to murder your husband (and other household hints)”, particular when their husband has been on the High Court of Australia and also the International Criminal Court. Or maybe writting books about murdering husbands is a form of Feminist Fun. And how do you know the elephant is male anyway? Posted by HRS, Monday, 6 August 2007 11:22:19 PM
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"And author’s like Kathy Lette have to be studied, to find out why feminist write books such as “How to murder your husband (and other household hints)”" - HRS it's called satire, the site you referenced earlier regarding this book even made that point. Satire can be quite fun really.
I've had a look at Kathy's website and the title fits in with the type of humor she uses, she also jokes about killing female book reviewers but does not like prison uniforms (although the vertical stripes might be flattering). Hardly a militant hardline feminist, rather someone with a sense of humor who I suspect would not get on well with the hardliners. Actually I didn't notice any references to feminism in the material I read on her site, nor references to male oppression of women or any other male blaming. I didn't read everything but nothing I read was in that vein. Bad book reviews were not blamed on the reviewers husbands or fathers. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 12:22:02 PM
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Did you read the book “How to Murder your Husband (and other household hints)” written by an amazing feminist whose husband is a QC and has been a judge in a number of international courts. Maybe he should look closer to home to defend himself.
MLK,
The rates of schizophrenia amongst males and females is about the same, but jails are being commonly used as mental hospitals for males with schizophrenia and many other mental illnesses.
The murder rate in Australia is about 300 per year, and even if all these murders were carried out by males (which they aren’t), then it only represents 0.003% of the male population.
The rate of sexual abuse is whatever you want to give it, and there was the case of a Grade 1 boy in the highly feminist US school system that was expelled for kissing a girl on the cheek. It was decided that it was sexual harassment carried out by the 6 year old boy.
Find any piece of feminist literature, take out the word “men” and replace it with “blacks” or “Jews” and you now have discrimination. Put back the word “men” and you now have feminist literature, and I have rarely seen any feminist literature that says anything positive about the male gender.
The author says nothing positive about the male gender, and I see the attitude of the author is that all males should be under suspicion that they are a criminal. That would be very similar to how the Nazis treated the Jews, where nothing good was said about the Jews, and all Jews were considered to be criminals.