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Jumping at shadows : Comments

By John Tomlinson, published 17/7/2007

Detaining Dr Mohammed Haneef: rounding up so many people for questioning is hardly an example of intelligently using the draconian provisions of Australia’s terrorism legislation.

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Too bad about the rule of law, the separation of powers and using jail as punishment for a young doctor on remand (bail) for giving a phone card to his cousin last year before he came to Australia.

He has nothing to do with any terrorism, three of the so-called terrorists have already been released without charge, the SUN in London is saying the bombs in London were not really bombs and only one person was hurt.

If this young man committed anything remotely related to terrorism I wonder what it is called to invade and bomb a nation and murder nearly 1 million people for no reason at all. Not to mention the 4.5 million refugees we have made.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Thursday, 19 July 2007 4:13:41 AM
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Frank “Communicat airily says: "As I understand it the transcript was leaked by his own lawyer - but that is only part of the story."

How can Communicat expect us to believe that allegation or lie? What does he base his understanding on?”

Maybe the admission of Haneef’s Lawyer that it was he who did release the transcript and the photo in the Australian and the ensuing interview.

Oh – quoting Greg Barnes, another vapid one, is not a sensible strategy if the goal is to sway debate.

As you quoted “"So the accusation that Dr Haneef’s lawyers are responsible for The Australian’s front page coup today should be taken with a grain of salt.” –

vinegar, fish and chips with that salt Frank?

Re “Given the state of the polls three months out from an election, experience suggests we ought to look closer at the dirt units set up in at least two Ministerial offices as a source of the leak.” –

No need any more.

Your Next post “Yes I was quite wrong –“ maybe we and Greg Barnes should take all that you write with a “pinch of salt” too

The reason “We are a greater terrorist target” is not “due to our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan” but because we are not a country which accepts terrorists.

Any nation which stand against terror or even tries to stay neutral is a terrorist target.
Terrorists do not accept the values which we have grown accustomed to.
Terrorists accept only their own rights and you or my "rights" are simply something to be incinerated with us as we attempt to eat, meet or travel from place to place and peacefully go about our private business.

There is only one way to deal with terrorists and their supporters; that is swiftly and finally, giving them no second chances to plant another bomb or commit murder and mayhem on an unsuspecting public.

I would suggest we should all support the governments attempts to ensure no outrages are perpetrated on Australian soil by any friend or cousin of any terrorist anywhere.
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 19 July 2007 12:23:16 PM
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Marilyn Shepherd,
I wonder how it is that you KNOW Haneef has nothing to do with any terrorism. The rest of us don’t.

Those terrorists released don’t happen to be his two second cousins with whom he lived at one time and to whom he gave the sim card which was found at the bomb site do they?

Haneef is still in jail because he hasn’t posted bail, otherwise he would be in immigration detention. Immigration detention is a holding pool for those who are in our country without a visa. They will either be sent home or given a visa. Haneef will be sent home.

Is the Sun (paragon of the tabloid media) really the best source you can think of to back up your argument?

I suppose if I tried to murder you but only ended up hurting someone else then I guess it wouldn’t really be serious would it?

If you don’t understand the difference between war, where both sides are armed and expect to be attacked, and murder, where innocents going about their business are killed as they eat/sleep/travel, then you are the one who is morally bankrupt

Don’t bother trying to point out that innocents died in Iraq, I know this. The HEROIC RESISTANCE FORCES (read Islamo/Fascists) hid behind these innocents whilst attacking the coalition. It happened again at the red mosque last week, where grown men surrounded themselves with women and children in order to defend themselves.

Finally the vast majority of deaths in Iraq can be attributed to Iraqis killing other Iraqis. This is not something we have control over. And for those of you who think we do, just watch what happens if you do get your way and forces are prematurely removed from Iraq. Total civil war will break out, not the minor skirmishes we see at present, but more akin to Rwanda and Somalia.
Posted by Paul.L, Thursday, 19 July 2007 1:12:12 PM
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We don't know that Haneef has nothing to do with terrorism. What we do know is that all the arguments Keelty and Ruddock have given so far are pathetic to the point of absurdity. Of course, you can choose to trust Keelty and Ruddock to have stronger evidence, which they choose not to share. And can anyone think of any reason why we wouldn't trust them? They've been so impeccably honest in the past.
Posted by bushbasher, Thursday, 19 July 2007 1:32:35 PM
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... to whom he gave the sim card which was found at the bomb site do they?

Just who says Haneef's sim card was found at the bomb site? Even Glen Milne didn't go that far, although he hinted at it.

If Kevin Andrews had used his power to deport Haneef, fair enough, but he used it to keep him locked up. After a court had released him on bail.

This is a misuse of his power, if you can't see that I feel sorry for you the terrorists have won.
Posted by ruawake, Thursday, 19 July 2007 4:01:08 PM
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Paul I am very tired of the claim that it is only Iraqis killing Iraqis so it doesn't matter. They were not doing it before we invaded the place were they.

The only word we have for any connection to Dr Haneef is the word of the poms. who shoot down innocent workers, raid the homes of innocent students and who have locked up over 1100 "terrorist" only to have to release the majority without charge. Many are only charged with immigration offences.

Britain lived with the IRA for decades and didn't behave as bizarrely as they are now and we have all survived the cold war and nuclear threat havent' we?

If we are going to be serious about terrorists we actually have to stop jumping at the bogeyman.

What bothers me is that the whingers and snivellers are mostly men. Why is that?
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Thursday, 19 July 2007 4:47:57 PM
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