Mein Gott! Mein Gott! You vill haf a Card und you vill like it.
Vot you vant? A personal ID tatooed on your arm?
Ve haf ways, you know.

Liberales uber alles!!

Many countries in the world have identity cards of one sort or another and we will have one as well. Wht we need to be debating is the sort of identity card we have and the information it will need to contain.
Natasha,hello from university days. You know the Democrats are a spent force. They could have been a great force in politics but your words are a further indication of why they have failed. Come back to planet earth and people may forgive you.

Exactly why is the government refusing to address the concerns of so many? If for no other reason, this alone would worry me. Do we have a government who only has as its first concern our welfare? I don't believe so. They do, I would tender, have their own welfare and future re-election as their first concern. Also it has not been adequately explained how just such a card is to prevent fraud, especially when the implementation of it could indeed be an item that could be used in the future perpetration of fraud.
Natasha's article is a timely warning, and carries with it a lesson to be heeded.

To answer ARCTICDOG about why the government isn't answering the concerns of the public is clear when you test our government with these questions found on http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-461990723502527420&q=Despotism+%281946%29+Encyclopedia+Brittanica+Films .

They are now ferral meaning same as an animal that once domesticated has turned on its master.

I hold in high esteme the statesmen of old in the US who wrote the Declarartion of Independence, they were visionaries almost knowing that the dangers we have today were sure to come.

Please read the pre-amble of that brilliant document

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

Stop horsing around, just microchip everyone's earlobe like we microchip dogs.

Seriously I am concerned that my medical history is stored on the card and readable by a police computer. What risk will I be in if I am receiving medical treatment resulting from clearly illegal activities like repairing drug abuse damage. Will I be treated fairly by the evangelical born again centrelink clerk who notices my health record says I have HIV or had an abortion?

Do we need this information stored on one card. As we have seen this fortnight the authorities can track us down very quickly when they want using the current technology. Wasn't Dr Haneef the first person arrested over the UK terrorist attacks. Hasn't the man he gave the SIM card to, not been arrested.

When Senator Stott Despoja says that the medical treatment information will be stored for private health providers does this mean that our compulsory private health insurance provider can store information on the card to control which medical procedures we can access or always channel you out of the public system.

Clearly the architects of the Access Card don't have a clear vision of what they are trying to achieve or are frightened that their vision will be rejected out of hand by the Australian public.

Well billie all your info is just a commodity to be onsold to the highest bidder for targeted marketing anyway so why worry. But the dog chip is already here in the US its marketed as the VERICHIP by a company called Applied Digital Solutions and the ex board member is running for President his name is Tommy Thompson. This guy has already made plans to implant all 1.4 million soliders there as well as the general population in the US. Here in Australia I have heard that our armed forces are soon to be targeted for that same implant to replace the dog tag.

The ID card is the vehicle that will be used to bring the legislation through then the RFID tag (verichip) will take over, thus fulfilling the Bible's warnings.