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Entitled to sympathy but not to an apology : Comments

By Brian Holden, published 6/7/2007

Nobody is to blame for the sad state of the Aboriginal people. It just happened.

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Whilst I do not prophess to b a legal expert,
my simple understanding of the relevant law is as follows:

1. The militant sea-rogues of the crown were required by their own law, as it stood @ the time, to either make a "Declaration of War" against the Original Australians or alternatively to create a "Treaty."

Instead, they "cooked" up some pseudo science,
(against the stringent protests of fine scientific minds of the period)
& classified the Original Australian people as animals, and formalised this in various revisions of the "Flora & Fauna Act."
(I associate this with the same sort of pseudo science deployed to "nay-say" against the reality of *Global Warming* and the intrinsic dangers of the use of U235 Enrichment Waste Munitions on civilian populations & unborn babes.)

Large tracts of Australia were ruled off as lawless zones & by co-incidence a considerable amount of "Dalek" like extermination allegedly occurred therein.
(Didn't they stuff the last Tasmanian and put her body in a museum glass case?)

It is no surprise to me that despite the fact that the *Democratic Will* of the Australian People supported the re-patriation of the Jews on mass to Northern W.A. pre the Holocaust,
that the crown & also their zionist extremist mates denied them,
allegedly fearing a "Lands Rights" precedent,
despite the best efforts of the representing "Rusky" Politician.
(Oh for a game of chess & some cranberries in a down town Moscow park. A beautiful people with much to offer in my view, but alas, I digress)

In legal terms the crown is timeless & an apology doesn't cut the mustard.
As for *Lizzy Winza* nothing short of a "no-knickers" stage dive is acceptable in my view.
She is an individual in a democracy and has as much right and obligation to speak out on matters pertaining to Human Rights as the rest of us & if not,
let her b "legally beheaded" in the High Court for Genocide & Sovereignty returned.

The Solution in the here & now:
PREFERENCE THE GREENS
*BROWNY* 4 PREZ!
Posted by AJLeBreton, Saturday, 7 July 2007 12:22:33 PM
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AJLeBreton

Anyone who believes the dumb unscientific theory of evolution could not help but to come up with the same answers as the scientist did back then. If evolution was true then nearly all of us are cannibals!
Posted by runner, Saturday, 7 July 2007 1:11:38 PM
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I would give preference to the Elder women of the communities. They have a clearer insight to the difficulties of their families, they would also wish for the betterment of those families.
The so called Activists have vested interests in keeping the situation at boiling point, they can do more harm than good.
Listen to the Grandmothers,hear what they say.
Posted by mickijo, Saturday, 7 July 2007 2:40:55 PM
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Henry Reynolds has done some great work in uncovering alot of what was covered up. Just look at the Tasmanian Aboriginals. They were virtuallly wiped out, This would have happened on the mainland too had the expanse of land not been so big. Instead it took a long time before the contact became enough to inringe on white Australia.
Yes there were thousands of chinese, there were Germans aswell from the late 1800's.
However, from Phiilip to Macquarie (from after 1822 it became a very consevative view that took over) the instructions given were "to open an intercourse with the Natives"..They were not to be disturbed or injured and it was expected the white perpetrators would be punished.
check out:
Auchmuty/1810-30, in FK Crowley(ed), 'A New History of Australia' (Melb, 1974), p50-59.)
Also the notion of uncivilised because they did not farm the land European style or had 'property' as in lots of land, is ugh. They fished, they had boundaries and they also had trade. Coastal tribes traded in commonplaces their goods for inland tribal finds. when the comments are made that this is not civilised, i cannot understand why. To have been here for so long must indicate some sort of order to things? ithink that they would have been enslaved a lot more if the decision to establish a penal colony (with possibilities)here had happened earlier, say when the American collonies were not in revolt? Slavery was out, Britian did not want that image hence the instructions to Governors. Britain was i a global expansion time and revolutions abounded, they had lost the Am.Colonies to being racist thugs so why would they risk it here? Truth is that once contact really started to progress and the fight for land and resources became intense by the 1820's you could say there was a racial war. This is such a hard issue.
Then of course there is alcohol. Was this used as a tool to wipe them out or is that conspiracy? I'd be interested in any thoughts and clarrification guys!
Go-mum!
Posted by go-mum!, Saturday, 7 July 2007 2:52:39 PM
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I liked Dealing with the Mob's ideas that get back to the basics. I also noted the truth that white society dominates over everything else. I've combined these precepts to come up with a few specific ideas that might be useful. Admittedly, they're made from a distance.

• To combat personal hygiene problems, create opportunities for Aboriginal kids to swim in either chlorinated pools or made-made waterholes. This will probably do as much as anything to rid the kids of ear and eye infections, in particular.

• We know how good Aboriginals are as athletes, but how about creating opportunities in occupations and activities where Aboriginals are similarly proficient? Maybe as tour guides, bush-tucker collectors, farmers and cooks etc. Why not set up “sanctuaries” where Aboriginals can both conserve their natural environment and make a crust doing their traditional activities if they want? This could be set up with the help of industry or other benefactors. Alternatively, Aboriginals could travel to other parts of Oz to do seasonal work and return home to their traditional lands to “recharge the batteries”.

• If policing is beefed up in Aboriginal communities, petrol sniffing should be made an offence which has a punishment attached to it. The regimes should be set up so that young Aboriginals are corralled toward doing something more productive and uplifting with their time. This has to be done via some combination of carrot and stick. The decision to adopt the initiative would be left to the individual communities themselves but must depend on what works.

• Why not set up a form of TAFE (in partnership with white administrators) where young Aboriginals can learn things that will be useful in future (eg cooking classes for bush tucker foods, as park rangers etc)? I imagine this sort of thing has been tried before, but it might start getting traction, especially if Aboriginals can see their way through the maze they're currently in. The benefit is that they are building on what they're naturally good at and there are some extra challenges in there that they wouldn’t have had before.
Posted by RobP, Saturday, 7 July 2007 3:28:18 PM
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Michael Mansell's alleged reference to the Brisbane Line (neilium, Friday, 6 July 2007 4:22:55 PM) is an apt illustration of how oft-repeated myths become 'historical facts'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane_Line
Posted by Admiral von Schneider, Saturday, 7 July 2007 5:46:50 PM
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