wobbles,

Thanks for your post - the article and comments were a yawn until you came along.

Too bad BOAZ-David has already given away prizes for stupidity because yours definately must topple First place.

For example:

>>The story of Jesus has more to do with the personification of sun worship, astrological symbols and ancient Egypt than most people will admit.<<

and
>>Jesus himself said the end of his age/aeon/world (Pisces) would be marked by the "man with a pitcher of water" (Aquarius).<<

Where do you find these jokes? LOL

But to answer your question:

>>Therefore, how can any single group of individuals claim to know "the truth" and how can they claim knowledge of any sort of divine prophecy at the expense of everybody else?<<

The answer is Jesus and The Bible. All the prophesies concerning Him came true. Therefore the Bible containing these prophesies is a trustworthy historical book. So Israel's "Land" claim according to the Bible are still legit; God does not recant on His promises.

BTW this Jesus is the only God-man that prophesy his own death and the way He was going to raise “Himself” from the dead on the third day. All others are dead.

He is still alive today, and He is coming back again to judge the world; proving once more that He is God.

When he ascended to heaven, he sent the Holy Spirit to live with His followers (those who accept Him as Lord and Saviour).

It is this Holy Spirit living in us that is the proof you are looking for. You wont find Him in the comic books and fables.

God has always fulfilled His promises to His people "Israel". I don't see why He won't do it again despite Zionism, Arab League, Palestinians, the UN, and Babu’s own interpretations of the Bible...

Coach,
All the things I said are freely accessible and are in the public domain.

Check them out if you are game.

They are history, unlike Jesus.

Wobbles,

All the historical proof about Jesus is in The Bible if you care to read it.

Start with The Gospel of Luke and let me know which part doesn't agree with your fairy tales.

The Bible is NOT a historical document and contains no eyewitness accounts.

Even the Gospels, who were written by unknown authors years after the events, contradict each other about many details.

http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

If you accept it all to be true, then you must also accept that donkeys can talk,that unicorns exist and that the world is flat, with an angel guarding each of its four corners.

The things I mentioned are examples of how the same stories are recycled and borrowed from other cultures.

Here are some interesting similarities. You may dispute some of them but you can't ignore them all.

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/jesus_similar.html

The basis for most of these was the study of the movement of stars in the sky, which was essential for everyday life in the ancient world. These were personified into what is called the zodiac and most monotheistic religions were spawned from this as well as the ancient Roman and Greek gods.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen13.html
(For the record, I don't believe in astrology)

Whether you believe in the Bible or think it is a work of fiction, the article we are supposed to be discussing makes some very good points regarding the falsity of Zionism's claim of a Biblical right to the land of Israel. Revelation indeed is a symbolic book, and much of it cannot be taken literally. The verse quoted quite clearly states that it is presented to John in 'signs', or symbols.

I can't claim to know anything about the dna of Israelites living in the land at the moment, but it doesn't change the fact that the 'Israel of God' mentioned in the Bible, when taken in context, is a spiritual nation, not a physical one. It can be made up of people of any race. Therefore it doesn't matter whether they are real Israelites or not, they are not Biblically the chosen nation of God.

RE: Lack of eyewitness accounts. The Book of John was written by the apostle of the same name, who was personally selected by Jesus. Can't get more eyewitness than that.

RE: Scriptural contradiction. [sigh] If you want to discuss those with me and you can email me from this board (I haven't posted here before so I don't know if you can), feel free to. I believe I can satisfactorily refute any supposed Biblical contradiction you want to throw my way.

RE: The Bible is a fictional account. The Dead Sea scrolls containing many prophecies concerning Jesus have been authenticated at hundreds of years before his birth. The Jewish historian Josephus was a contemporary of Jesus and confirms his existence.

I don't think the article was written to stir up angry debate which will undoubtedly end up in cyber-insults and name-calling, but it does quite simply prove that Zionism has no Biblical basis.

Jek

Hi Jek, welcome to OLO.. your first time eh :)

for contact with posters, its probably good to set up a special yahoo email for that purpose where you can give the address here without using your usual one.
I don't think anyone can contact you via here, unless Graham Young has facilitated it with a 'allow email contact' box in the profile section. I'm not aware of one.
I'm interested in your views also newlifeinhim777@yahoo.com.au kind of tells you where I come from spiritually :)
I do see a place for Israel, but cannot detail it very well.
The return of the people to the land seems to fit some prophecies quite well, but overall I'm a 'pan' millenialist if you get my meaning.
Hope to see more of you posting here. Don't be surprised if you experience some brickbats and some boquets also. Patience is needed.
blessings