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Dying in police custody : Comments

By Harry Throssell, published 28/6/2007

Indigenous Australians are among the poorest people in the world, hence their chronically bad health, dependence on substances, and violence.

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harry - thank you for this article and drawing to attention the royal commission on aboriginal deaths in custody - a timely reminder. so many indigenous australians took the report of the royal commission to heart, taking up the recommendations and following them - hoping and working for their implementation. as usual, their hopes and work met with little encouragement or action from australian governments - all and every one of them. indigenous people despair, too, when they gain formal educational qualifications yet are overlooked in the job stakes. in victoria, an indigenous elder with ba (hons) in heritage, etc who was an ma student converted to phd was overlooked for a position in aboriginal heritage - for a person with an ma (from another country, and not in indigenous australian heritage) who had worked in australia for 7 years. racial discrimination is rife in this country and the more indigenous australians do to overcome it, complying with 'white' australia's requirements vis-a-vis education, experience etc, the more it appears that authorities 'clamp down'. have you noticed that in this current 'debate' harry - you are the first i have noted raising the royal commission ...
Posted by jocelynne, Thursday, 28 June 2007 10:20:58 AM
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“In spite of Commissioner Muirhead’s optimistic conclusions many Indigenous Australians remain among the poorest people in the world today, hence the persistence of chronically bad health, dependence on substances, and violence, world-wide symptoms of community infrastructure poverty, largely ignored by Australian governments.”

And, when an “Australian government” makes a genuine attempt to do something about the situation – as the Howard Government is currently doing – the hate-mongers and control freaks (as in controlling aborigines) of the left and welfare classes scream, “Racist!”

To condone even the idea of some Australians living in the wretched isolation of ‘blacks camps’, then complaining about the health and poverty of those people, is ludicrous and warped. So is blaming conservative governments for the situation.

The only government to be blamed is the Whitlam government, which, with the connivance of ‘Nugget’ Coombes (whose qualification to meddle was ‘bank manager’ and life long lefty) created the apartheid system of remote communities, resulting in the disgrace we have today.

The current Government’s attempt to right the wrongs of the past should have occurred earlier and these disgusting remote communities should have been razed to allow the descendants of original Australians to take their place with the rest of us.

An American academic (black) currently visiting Australia has been amazed by our 1950’s attitude to descendants of aboriginal people and bemused by the fact that there are still people here calling themselves ‘indigenous’.

There is simply no justification for the separation and hardship forced on a few Australians by the lunatic left, aided and abetted by self-serving community ‘leaders’.

Only individuals can survive and flourish in modern society and be responsible for themselves. This bloody nonsense of special groups and special interests has to be knocked in the head
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 28 June 2007 10:36:42 AM
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Leigh. Whitlam is responsible? Are you insane? Men have been abusing children, women and other men ( and animals come to that) since the dawn of time. Perhaps Gough is older than we thought? Please don't keep writing this complete fantasy. Oh, and it actually happens in every town, city and community in every country in the world. Never knew Gough was so influential, retrospective too.

I've only ever heard of one omnipotent being before but apparently we are blessed, still, as Gough lives. Holy ....

He didn't create these communities either. I lived in Alice in the 50's and they were there then. When Gough was only 400,456 years old. and still unelected at that time.

Again there is no left you regurgitator of yesterday's media drivel.

I meant only one comment here and that is this.

Yesterday there was yet another death in custody in QLD. In the back of a panel van in the middle of the day to a man said to have no illnesses. Just stopped breathing apparently.

The QLD Police Commissioner immediately issued a statement,

"There will be a full and thorough investigation. There are no suspicious circumstances". Slight contradiction there? He's already decided of course.

Is he kidding? Are panel vans murdering people without our knowledge?
Posted by DavoP, Thursday, 28 June 2007 1:22:06 PM
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davop - touche! great response!
Posted by jocelynne, Thursday, 28 June 2007 4:42:48 PM
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DavoP,

No, I'm not insane; nor did I suggest that Whitlam was responsible for child abuse. I didn’t even mention child abuse.

You appear not to have heard of the Whitlam/Coombes social engineering masterpiece that sentenced people to misery in camps, keeping them out of sight and mind, on the cheap.

Certainly, there were remote camps more appropriate to the lifestyle led prior to white settlement, when people actually did follow the old ways; but the above-mentioned characters put the official seal of approval on them and virtually prevented young people from leaving the squalor that Whitlamesque welfare brought about. It was made much easier for them to stay, bludge, and sink deeper into the muck.

Try to remember that just because you haven’t heard of something doesn’t mean that it did not happen. Just because you are ignorant of certain facts of history does not mean that they did not occur
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 28 June 2007 4:51:22 PM
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Politically correct social engineering is responsible for a lot of unnecessary misery. All too often ideas are taken on because they are viewed as being the cheap option at the time and then dressed up with arguments about "equality" which is taken to mean "like everyone else" when it should mean something quite different...and equal opportunity to benefit or succeed would be a good start. Trouble is of course that also means starting to take some responsibility for oneself.
Is it any wonder that indigenous communities are in a mess when they are getting conflicting messages about equality and opportunities? Same thing with people with disabilities of course...and in both cases some of their own most outspoken activists are presuming to present their own views as the views of their communities.
Posted by Communicat, Thursday, 28 June 2007 5:30:34 PM
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