Zelda is quite right to keep fighting against RI in Qld schools.

What she has not commented on is the number of parents who fail to fill out the 'what is your religion' section of the Qld school enrollment form.

With no information here the school is required to find out what parents' want done with their children, RI or the mythical alternative programme? The one that simply does not exist in most schools here.

Well, here in Toowoomba we believe it is at least 80% of parents, and we've been told by a deputy DG of Education that across the State it is as high as 90%.

Yet still Ed Qld fails to insist that the proper processes in their own policy documents are followed!

Now we're being loaded up with chaplains in State schools too. $90 million of tax monies from Howard and $10million from Beattie.

Meanwhile, in at least one primary school in Toowoomba the P&C is funding teacher aide hours out of their own pockets, while the principal pays for RI books out of school, that's taxpayer, funds.

These are very strange priorities indeed.

See this url: http://www.artdoco.com/thefourthr/PDFs/SU_touts.pdf

to read about how at least one school in Qld is getting chaplains passed within its school communities.

A mixture of parent apathy and conniving and dishonesty from 'those who should know better'.

Bishop Rick

It is amazing with so much opposition to Religous education how many of the pollies from all parties wanting their own kids to get a private school education. If the secular humanist believed in their own lies they would not send their own children to private schools. It seems like it is only the lunatic fringe that really object to Christian values taught in State schools. This forum seems to attrack a few of those. Decades of social engineering from our secular humanistic friends have resulted in all sorts of community problems. I visited a prisoner the other day who was laughing at how dumb it was that they had people showing them how to use clean needles for their drug habit. Despite 30 years of showing kids in schools how to wear condoms we still have massively high teen pregnancies and abortion. Secular humanism has proved to be a massive failure ignoring the need to teach such simple traits as self control.

runner, you just make up complete crap. You say "secular humanist" as if you have any clue what it means. You talk about people sending kids to private schools as if you're a goddam expert, as if it can't just be for purely educational non-religious reasons. You won't address a single argument on the post, but write everybody off as "lunatic fringe". You talk about "simple traits" being taught, as if only people who believe in your god can teach morals and personal responsibilty. You're the archetypal closed-minded religious bigot.

To the last post well said, however Im of the opinion that
a lot of people whom choose to pay for private schooling
are sending thier children to these institutions because of the general ADD affected, disruptive, immigrant and violent
little bastards that are common to our society in this day and age.

However having said that and being a product of a GPS education
I can say with experience thier are some awful little rich bastards
in private institutions.
The difference is in public schools you just have to tolerate it.

"Secular humanism has proved to be a massive failure ignoring the need to teach such simple traits as self control."

Lol Runner, perhaps you think we should be like George Bush
and teach just abstinence. Its not actually working.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6554743.stm

Fact is our sex education at schools is not very good, as
the results show. Have a look at the Dutch figures to
see what good sex education can do. But of course our
religious lobby would be um in arms over such factual education.

Crossing your legs for Jesus has been shown to be a dismal failure,
thats why the high US teen pregnancy rate.

A little religion goes a long way. But it must be the right religion that can be comfort and not a brain washing exercise.
The Ten Commandments are a pretty good rule to follow, no dogma,just commonsense and society needs to have a goal to reach.The alternative is anarchy or Islam.