@TLW:

"thousands of people in East Timor raped and slaughtered by your forces"

LOL, such mythical anti-Indonesian propaganda lies no longer works, boy. From census figures of 1974 and 2000, it is clear that the population of East Timor actually doubled under Indonesian rule. We are proud of the health and welfare system we implemented in East Timor that allowed the population to grow at such a rate. Unfortunately, the incompetent buffoons who call themselves the "government of East Timor" has created a complete collapse in health care system that causes the infant mortality rate to shoot up and life expectancy to plumet.

""it's the bum's fault for getting in the way of the murderer's bullets" arguments"

You cannot blame Indonesian soldiers for the death of the five journalists. Neither Indonesian soldiers nor the communist gunmen can be expected to stop a battle just because there were some journos around. If you don't wanna get hurt, don't be a war correspondent, be a librarian.

@Viking:

"True, subsequent governments have bent over backwards to appease Indonesia"

LOL, Australia never "appeases" Indonesia. Concerning ET, it was Australian PM Whitlam who begged Indonesia to crush communism in ET in his 1974 visit, not the other way around. Previously, Suharto had no interest with the Portuguese colony. It was Indonesia who appeased USA and its begging stooge Australia by invading ET.

"The "Communist threat" you alude to in your rant was just another excuse for Indonesia to kill thousands."

Fretilin leaders were trained in Communist China and Pol Pot's Cambodia, sworn enemies of Indonesia in 1970s. Additionally, Fretilin leadership in 1975 openly invited communist states into ET to help consolidate communism in the region. Indonesia simply couldn't tolerate presence of such hostile force on its borders.

"Are the West Papuans Communists or is there another excuse for wiping them out?"

LOL, Indonesia never wanted to "wipe out" West Papuans. In fact, we helped increased native Papuan population from 500,000 to 1.5 million today.

@Benjamin:

LOL,-what-an-ignorant-and-illogical-joke.-Indonesia-is-a-secular-country-under-Pancasila-where-all-religions-and-gender-are-treated-equally.-We-had-a-woman-president-(unlike-sexist-Australia),-30%-of-our-MPs-are-women,-and-many-women-are-governors-and-district-chiefs.-Meanwhile,-we-have-40-million-non-Muslims-who-become-everything-from-generals-to-ministers.-In-fact,-the-generals-who-led-the-invasion-of-ET-are-Catholics.

SEE THE LINKS FOR THE FREE LIFESTYLE OF INDONESIAN WOMEN:
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8772
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=106024

Indonesia-certainly-has-far-more-superior-culture-than-despicable- Australians,-descendents-of-genocidal-criminals,-the-rejects-of-European-society-who-brutally-massacred-defenceless-Aborigines-and-stole-their-land.

Proud to be Indonesian,

You are a bigot, plain and simple.

I laugh at your suggestions of Indonesian culture being superior, as I can SHOW you through argument why western values of having tolerance (only for those who are also tolerant though - this is where leftists go wrong) and equality for women, allowing homosexuals to remain living, is better than the values you have.

You are a slave to Arab values, you bow five times a day to Arabia!

Indonesia treats all religions equally?

You're obviously not from there, three Christian girls beheaded on way to school! Churches always burnt down, UN says 100 a year.

During tsunami, which only westerners helped (where were your Arab Muslim brothers?) our clergy were told they couldn't wear their priest garments, and when offered to rebuild mosque out of respect - Muslims said no, give us money but we can't build a mosque from it because you have touched this money and are only dirty kuffour.

Also, our army had to remove Australian flag from their uniform because you were so intolerant you wouldn't allow it.

Indonesia doesn't even accept refugees, you talk of genocide of Aboriginal? We acknowledge our past, parts were bad, but we help them now more than any other group. What of your indigenous? Do you even know about them? Your country just ran over them, don't you think it strange that the ONLY countries WITH indigenous ppl are white nations?

Hmm...funny that. Well no, others have them, Japan does, but nobody knows because they are not recognised. Same with your country.

Again, your values are inferior. This is why refugees, Muslims, go through your dump to get here!

^^ LOL, your childish and inane comments make me laugh, Ben-boy.

It is clear women have more equality in Indonesia than in sexist Australia, since we already have a women president and large numbers of female politicians, while Australia never had a woman PM.

Your reference to the murders of schoolgirls are irrelevant, since Indonesia law-enforcement agents have arrested or killed the perpetrators of this criminal action. This is unlike racist Australia who actively promoted the genocide of Aborigines and denied citizenship to them and other non-whites until recently, and even then under international pressure.

As for your laughable refence towards "indigenous" people, indeed most Indonesian citizens, including most of its government, are indigenous people. We are indigenous people living in our own land, unlike "Australians", who are a bunch of criminal thieves who invaded the land of Aborigines, commit genocide against them, and stole their land until today.

Australia itself is an illegally-established state since it was stolen from Aborigines, as determined by your own High Court in the 1992 Mabo Case.

There is only one way to rectify this gross violation in human rights: RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!

It seems you are suffering from the disease of bigotry and racism against Asians, Muslims, Aborigines, and any non-white people. Since you are now being raised in a racist and inferior "Australian society", your misfortune is understandable.

I suggest you learn tolerance and understanding from more superior and advanced cultures such as Indonesian culture, Ben-boy. It is not late to improve yourself since you are so young, boy.

I'm 29, not 15.

But, alas, it is you who are learning the WORLD language...English. It is you who want western technology...cars, tv, computers.

Your society offers the world nothing but hatred. You are slaves to Arabia, go on...bow down to Arabs!

Seriously, your comments about genociding Aboriginals is silly. But this is the difference between western democracy and savage Indonesia.

Your country is one of the most corrupt on earth because there is no goodwill in such societies. You want to send your kids to my country for university because your universities are rubbish.

Your Doctors aren't as qualified as our nurses.

Your name says it all, you say you're proud to be Indonesian because you must display this since you're really not proud.

You know your country is backward, you know the west is superior. If not, why is your country trying to become democratic?

You talk about women's rights? A Muslim country?

Be serious. Sure, in the cities women would be treated alright, but what about Aceh?

Burqa on every woman, beard on every man.

Seriously, you will be destroyed unless you reign in the savage Arab worshipping Islamists.

Get your own culture, don't take on their's!

Benjamin you are biggoted, but relax PtbI is not for real. PtbI is a construct,a set up, hiding behind a pseudonym.
Anyway I'm onto you PtbI so take a holiday. And I hope no one else from now on takes you seriously.
PtbI is not from Indonesia,but does earn a quid from connections with the country.

@Ben-boy:

Aww, you are firing wildly, young boy. No wonder, since I've decisively reasoned that Indonesia is a much superior culture than the backward "Australia", an illegal country established by savage racist criminals who committed genocide against Aborigines and lived on land stolen from these indigenous people. It is clear the barbaric Australians are the worst human rights violators in Asia-Pacific today.

RETURN AUSTRALIA TO ABORIGINES NOW!!

"But, alas, it is you who are learning the WORLD language...English. It is you who want western technology...cars, tv, computers."

LOL, why are you so boastful over things that are not made by you? Neither English language, cars, TV, and computers are invented in Australia. Most of these appliances in Australia are manufactured and developed by more advanced Asians. Indonesia itself is one of the biggest manufacturers of electrical appliances in the world.

"You want to send your kids to my country for university because your universities are rubbish."

LOL, lots of Europeans studied in Australia. Does this mean that European unis are rubbish? In fact, small numbers of Indonesian students studied in Australia because it is cheap and nice recreational area, while overwhelming numbers of Indonesian students chose to study in one of Indonesia's hundreds of universities.

"Your Doctors aren't as qualified as our nurses."

LOL, our doctors are superior than yours. Students from all over Asia study at our medical schools, the best in the region.

"If not, why is your country trying to become democratic?"

LOL, "democracy" is not invented in the West. We Indonesians always have our own style of democracy since time immemorial. The Indonesian people currently feel that Pancasila (Indonesian-style) democracy is the best form of government today. Indonesian people had killed western-style Parliamentary democracy back in 1959 because such inferior form of government is not fit for our country.

"You talk about women's rights?"

As I said, we have a woman president and large numbers of women leaders. By contrast, there has never been any female Australian PM.

"Get your own culture, don't take on their's!"

LOL,-Indonesian-culture-has-zero-correlation-with-Arab-culture.-If-you-think-that-being-Muslim-means-becoming-Arab-slaves,-than-you-would-agree-that-most-Australians-(being-Christians)-are-slaves-of-the-Roman-Pope.