Peter D “Col Rouge, you really display a remarkable ignorance, not just of what the abortion issue is all about, but also of the society you live in.”

Really, maybe you could justify your crass attitude.

“Those laws are made by other human beings, and they have nothing to guide them in deciding what is a just law,”

Not right, seems you are “ignorant” in the process of law making.
As a voter I elect a representative to pass laws on my behalf and among those laws, about 30 years or so ago the laws, which had been in existence for about 120 years, which made abortion a criminal offence, were repealed.

“And why should the lawmaking process be placed in the hands of atheists, and Christians excluded simply because they have an identifiable set of moral values?”

Well we are back to the will of the democratic majority. If you have a problem with that you should write to your member of parliament because writing to the undemocratically appointed Pope will make no difference (only a minority of people listen to him).

On a point of interest, abortion is not about a new born child. We are talking about a pre-born embryo. Birth is an important point in the development cycle.

It is the point at which we acknowledge the individual and separation from the mother. A small point, we have “birth certificates”, we do not have “conception certificates”.

Your claim that the protections afforded a separate individual should apply to an embryo. Embryos are entirely dependent upon the bodily resources of a particular individual. A new born can be cared for by anyone (within reason) typically, should a woman die in child birth and the baby survives. The same is not true of a woman who dies before the birth, the embryo generally dies with her (dependency).

“The verbal garbage you churn out”.

That you cannot deal with being in the minority is your problem, maybe it is due to your tiny, limited intellect. Does the D stand for “Dullard”?

You fail to sway the debate.

Dickie,
Your prolific output of verbal garbage makes Col Rouge appear like a literary genius. If you really believe the human species (it is not clear whether you regard yourself as a member) is in no way superior to other life forms on earth, it goes a long way to explaining your view of life. It requires an extremely low self-image to claim the same status as a pig, a rodent or a cockroach - perhaps you're still working on the finer detail. It is a telling admission, nevertheless, that you see abortion as an attack on the whole of humanity, because that is exactly what pro-life people have been saying for years. Pro-abortionists have always equated the unwanted pregnancy with the unwanted child, but lack the courage to call for legalised infanticide. There is no rational basis for making a distinction. Same life, same destiny snatched away.
You say that "religious zealots" believe that humans are the superior species - what nonsense. I suggest virtually the whole of humanity believes it. Those who claim otherwise are the deluded minority. As for the rather silly questions you direct at me - answer them yourself. They have no relevance to the deliberate killing of the defenceless unborn.

So, you have reading problems, too, Col Rouge? Read what I said.

Ouch!! I wonder what the "D" stands for in Peter?

Peter D,” So, you have reading problems, too, Col Rouge? Read what I said.”

I have no reading problems. You have an attitude problem.

You seem to be good at throwing around the rhetoric. I assume it is due to one of the following

Immaturity

Retardation

Pretentious arrogance of someone crippled with “little man” syndrome.

Either way your posts are just the ravings of the fanatic out classed when faced with reason and logic.

Feel free to challenge the points I have made; instead of deploying your amateur attempts at insult.

You should be aware, debating is sometimes called a “battle of wits”.

I suggest, for your own credibility in future, you do not forget your weaponry for battle.

At the moment you look more like the catering corp, armed with the wit and cutting edge of a lump of lard.

Now run away, have a little weep, maybe bite and punch the pillow, then come back with some real argument.

Sorry, Col Rouge. Wrong on every count. You wrote that looking in the mirror. But don't forget to thank your mother for not aborting you.