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Strong economy should not be at cost of fairness : Comments

By Julia Gillard, published 3/5/2007

Far from re-regulating the industrial relations system, Labor will boost flexibility in a fair workplace.

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I will tell you now

Stuart Ulrich from The Australian Peoples Party will be sending out a press release in the next 2 weeks.

This could well end those who are in and have been in politics, Deregulation of political parties.
This will also end to corruption,deciet,fraud of the federal system.

Its big

Its about research and the right information from those who have had enough from those who do not listen.

It is time for the truth can you all handle that or would you prefer your own pathetic lies.

I have seen the whole truth and has given me a greater responsibility for it to be completely known.

Stuart Ulrich
The Leader of The Australian Peoples Party
Posted by tapp, Saturday, 5 May 2007 8:55:21 PM
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It seems to me that alot of people just won't accept that the world
has changed. One minute they complain that there arn't enough jobs,
next minute they complain that all the lurks and perks arn't being
paid. Hey, if you have all the answers, go out and create employment
and see how you go. You will have consumers to answer to!

Thirty years ago Australia still rode on the sheep's back, the
Melbourne club had their pseudo manufacturing monopolies. If
unions wanted more, it was simply passed on to the consumer.

Well the sheep collapsed in the end. The big winners have been
consumers. No more huge tarrifs to protect those cushy little
monopolies either. All of you benefit, from that increased
competition. Cheaper clothes, cheaper electronics, cheaper power
tools, etc. etc. Compare life with 30 years ago, its hugely
different.

The drawback is, that life is now more uncertain for many.
Not just employees but companies too. A few still have pseudo
monopolies, so still can provide cushy little deals. They are
in a position to screw the taxpayer, who has little choice,
or for logistical reasons they don't face overseas competition.

But a huge amount don't, they have to compete or close down.
Thats the reality. Companies are not guaranteed work or orders,
they live week to week, doing their best. Either they measure
up or they close. To expect these kinds of companies to go
and provide some heaven of certainty for their staff, is kidding
oneself. Even BHP could not predict 5-7 years ago, the outcome
of the China resources boom. Gottliebsen was one of the few who
did. Even he could have been wrong.

For those who want certainty, go and work for the Govt, they have
the power to tax, thats one certainty. For the rest, learn to
live with a changing world, its the new reality. See the new
opportunities being created by change, rather then being bogged
down by the past. The sheep that kept you going for so long is dead.
Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 5 May 2007 9:19:50 PM
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Strong economy should not be at cost of fairness :

Ah Julia What a wonderful Title.
I couldnt agree with you more.

So could you please explain why the WA Small business Minister has blocked up from opening abattoirs?
Abattoirs to create employment that would help to supply jobs for peopple who are suffering from the biggest dry Australia has ever had?
Wouldnt it be fair to say your unions dont want me bring in staff to train locals because they might not pay union fees?
Why just the meat Trade Julia? couldnt be to protect the cruel live export industry could it?
Come to think of it would you even know?

You made a mistake when you showed you school girl bully face to the mines industry. They wont forget that.

These are people of their own making. What gives 'you' the right to tell them that you know more about employing 'their staff' than they do.
Thats pretty arrogant.

Look I am all for people joining anything they wish- But to force people?
The AMIEU are Quiet. Any idea why? I heard through the grape vine they have been told to "back off" Live Animal Exports.
Any comments Julia?

See I dont think economy should be at the coat of fairness-

I am more than capable of obtaining staff and training staff and providing traing for more staff. These staff will learn skills such as value adding. Of course there are many other jobs involved in the abattoir business julia as you should know.
You have plumbers and electrians, mechanics and cleaners.
Packaging boxes cardboard plastic tapes boneing and wrapping.
stores. IT jobs and transport jobs.
Activity in country towns encourages tourism.

No Yabby the sheep are not dead they are stuffed on cruel death ships and sent off along with our jobs.
One big reason for this in the first place was unreasonable demands from unions!

I look forward to your Reply julia.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Saturday, 5 May 2007 10:32:45 PM
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Julia I copied this from the offical Organ of LABOUR NET.

WOKERS ONLINE Written by the Head of Your! Labour Union AMIEU of thirty five years!

Sheeps Of Shame

Four thousand Aussie jobs have been exported by the live export industry as New Zealand moves towards a moratorium on the trade following the embarrassing saga of thousands of Australian sheep cast adrift in the Persian Gulf.

For thirty years Australian meatworkers have been picketing ships and wharves in an effort to protect their livelihoods from the live sheep export trade.

Two recent abattoir closures in NSW have been directly attributed to the trade.

"Live sheep exports have had their day," says Australian Meat Industry Employees Union (AMIEU) Federal secretary Tom Hannan. "There's no sensible reason for them to continue."

"They're exporting Aussie jobs," says Hannan. "This is only going to benefit a few greedy Ship owners. The torment, cruelty and inhuman practices are just not worth it. They're giving Australia a bad name."

Hannan told Workers Online that Australia possessed fully trained abattoir staff accredited by the Islamic Council of Australia that fulfilled the Halal requirements of the Middle Eastern market.

4000 abattoir jobs have disappeared through live sheep exports. The trade has had a big impact on the meat industry, especially in the top end where only two abattoirs remain open north of the tropic of Capricorn.

In a bizarre twist media reports have suggested that Canberra is set to give the sheep adrift in the Persian Gulf to Iraq under a secret deal worth $10 million.

The foreign flagged Cormo Express is yet to unload its cargo of 53 000 Australian sheep.

The RSPCA vowed to stop the trade of live animals and animal rights protesters barricaded a Portland feedlot stalling the loading of 28,000 sheep bound for Kuwait.

Govt Abandons Mudgee Meatworker
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Saturday, 5 May 2007 10:54:24 PM
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Wendy, methinks that the economic argument about the proverbial
sheep, in contrast to the one that you are fretting about, went
clean over your head, but I shall try to explain it to you.

Its well known that Australia rode on the sheep's back. In other
words, the wealth created from rural exports has played a huge
role in creating the kinds of standards of living and wealth, that
we Australians benefit from today. Wool and sheep played a dominant
role in all that, thats where the expresssion comes from.

When the Nationals created high tarrif walls, to encourage local
industry, somebody had to pay. Farming was riding high in those
times and could afford to pay high taxes and tarrifs on inputs.
On that basis, high cost manufacturing was established in Aus,
including lots of cushy union deals in the process. That was
not a problem, costs were simply passed on to consumers, which
included farmers.

Times have changed. Today farming is relatively speaking on the
bones of its arse. There are few industries with lower returns.
Many farmers have become peasants, earning far less then
mollycoddled union members. So farming cannot afford
high input costs anymore, to subsidise manufacturing, like used
to be the case. So the proverbial sheep has effectively collapsed.

Regarding the 4 legged ones that you are fussing about. I remind
you that its documented, that conditions on live sheep ships today,
are better then most feedlots in
Australia. You can rant and rave all you want about some tv documentary
of the past, I am talking about the present, here and
now.

Given that the Australian meat processing industry has neither
the labour, nor the capacity, nor the $ to pay farmers a reasonable
price for their livestock, it only stands to reason that some should
be exported live, in better conditions then most feedlots. Farming
has to be a business, farmers have families to feed too. You can
rant and rave until the cows come home Wendy, but reality will not
change, just because you close your eyes and wish it would
Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 5 May 2007 11:16:40 PM
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Consumers are workers and workers are consumers. It is in everyone's best interest to ensure that employers pay fair wages. Fair wages to everyone in and out of Australia.

That is basic and obvious economics.
Posted by vivy, Sunday, 6 May 2007 7:22:31 AM
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