It is obvious by the attitudes in this thread that Christians truley believe they have a right to rule over everybody. This is a shocking attitude no different than the Muslims who wish to enforce sharia law over Australians.

The sad thing that what is demonstrated by Christians here is no respect for other people , no empathy for others , no regard for non Christians. Just a brutal greed to control and exploit people.

Religion proves to be unwise , divorced from understanding , incapable of honesty. It is a self immersion into ones own emotional realm where reality and truth is extremely threatening.

Obviously in every case where religion and politics mix disaster follows. It is man who sits on thrones , not god , it is man who speaks for god , not god , it is man who thinks for god, not god. It is man who decides what is right and what is wrong , not god.

Those who believe in god , asserting god and gods laws are infact claiming they themselves are god. A politician who believes in god is stepping foward as god because gods rules that are implemented are infact the politicians generated ideas and ideals. The politician has no responsibility for his action as he is serving god. The millions upon millions of people killed by Christendom (and Islam) the ethnic cleansing which constantly reoccurs in the name of god throughout history is a direct consequence in the arrogance of believing god exists and believing one serves god.

West,
While I commend your passion for debate, I don’t know if this is the place for a fully blown discussion on abortion, as it may be a bit off the topic of this thread. Some say it is a moral issue, but I think every topic ever discussed in parliament revolves around moral principle.

You say you don’t want to ban religion, but you do seem to have little tolerance for it. If you want to get a real vision of what life is like in an aggressively atheist system, just go and visit Russia or Albania or another of these countries that spent most of last century trying to purge their societies of all things religious.

I don’t think we have to worry too much about a religious take over in our government, even if a few politicians occasionally feel free to speak their minds. No more than we have to fear an atheist takeover. Australians are usually a fairly tolerant lot.

TR,

You're still giving me stick (26 April 2007).

It's not my job to entertain you, or anyone else here, with my intellectual brilliance or lack of it.

My observations about the intellectual vacuum here annoyed you. But I did not mean to suggest I'm smarter than anyone - simply, I've got rather a good nose for BS.

Having said all that, I apologise to all and sundry if I've offended.

My basic point is that your comments are better aired in the mainstream of public opinion rather than here in the cloisters of this forum.

Ian Mack,

I am not understanding you. You say this website is a wasteland. Yet you keep coming back.

If you really want to join us, you are welcome.

Hi Mick V,

I suppose you have a point, although I haven't been here since April.

But there is a parallel. The Howard government has ruined this country over eleven years.

They have done so because the opposition has been so woeful. The opinions expressed here are lost on those nincompoops because they probably don't browse here.

So, by all means, tap away regardless.

All I'm asking is that you drop a cc to the pollies when you post here. Their addresses are mostly available on the net, even if they don't read all their emails or reply in every case!