Hello Keiran,

I thought we touched on this before, because you felt that the Solid State universe contained "infinities" and the absence of alleged infinities in the Big Big was a "teddy". At the time, I believe I mentioned 4-D spacetime in Plank time[ten the minus 43 power seconds] is not well defined [time is a dimension too]. Penrose theorises this event is proceeded by singularities in phase space which would incorporate infinities. Herein, there maybe multiple universes [or we reinterpret the word "universe" to be way outside our physical horizons.]. In science, the BB is a positive heuristic, whether or not one believes in intelligent design. One thread is god created the process; and, an thread if there infinite environments, some environments will permit life sustainable universes: We are one of the latter otherwise we would not be here to contemplate it.

What is significant is that background radiation was forecast before it was discovered.

My comment about Sells was merely that he should read general history outside theological posits of historical events.

Kieran,

Just re-read your post. Readshift is a doppler-like effect, but not a true doppler effect. Popular science books are just using a metaphor. It is caused events inside the universe being limited by the c [speed of light in a vacuum] and the universe itself expanding faster than c

Hey all,

Some interesting stuff appearing regarding the change in the speed of light and greater insight in zero point energy.

Google awayyyyy......

tRAKKA,

Thanks, I will have a search.

George,

I have enjoyed your music metaphors in relation to understanding lithergy, and recall, was it, "Herr Mozart, 'too many notes' " [Austrian Monarch?]. John Casti [mathematician] suggests good music needs to be interesting, popular music is to repetitious and some classical music, as you say, a required taste. Casti examined the relationships between power strectum, frequency and notes and suggested Bach's, "First Brandenberg Concerto", as as "Goodolock's porridge", "just right". Kenneth Hsu [physist] also worked with Bach "distilled" Bach's Invention 5 from its original form down to fractals. It was possible to maintain the essence of the Bach piece, but with less complexity.

I guess one problem for a Minister is to achieve an interesting litugery. But, I don't necessarily agree with the captain of the alter concept following a script determined by head office. If I were a theist, I would still have a problem with the compliance to top-down authority and would see altars and sacramental worships, as primitive. I feel that the Churches treat "their flock" much like the English historically treated the Irish. "Keep 'em igorant".

Sells,

The liturgy of the Christian Churches, is very much post Constantine. Jesus roamed and engaged in question and answer sessions. In the cultic phase, there was home and and small group gatherings.

I see no reason why a suburban church cannot revisit the divinity of Jesus and the godhead. To the Greeks, [Greek philosophy] akin to the Unmoved Mover [Aristotle], one version of god, is god cannot change or suffer. Yet, Jesus visits Earth, after the fact of creation, suffers and is transfigured. This counter- point is as valid, as in cosmology, noting some stars are too old to neatly fit with estimates of the age of the universe. Herein, the congregation can act as a forenic jury on their Church, and, their provide deliberations to their churches. [Luther, double plus]

Oliver,
Thank you for the remark. " If I were a theist (Christian), I would still have a problem with ..." reminds me of my 60 years old aunt many years ago, who said "If I were again 25 years old, I would never marry" to which my obvious answer was "Auntie, if you were 25 years old with a 60 years old mind, nobody would want to marry you."

The point is that if you were a practising Christian you would not view liturgy with the mind of a non-Christian, or even atheist. Your views are, or can be, interesting to a practising Christian, an we should be grateful for different perspectives you provide, but they are nevertheless perspectives of an outsider.

Perhaps not unlike the perspective provided by Thomas Kuhn, or even some less serious "social constructivists of science", can be interesting to a scientist to SEE HOW a sociologist or historian, i.e. an outsider, sees what scientists do, but not if he/she claims to KNOW WHAT they do without "indwelling" -- to use your favourite expression -- in the subject of their research, which in this case means having the corresponding specialist qualifications.

George,

Thank you. I take your point. And smiled at your story.

I have a treasured copy of the proceedings (1961) of Woolf, Wilks, Crombie, Kuhn, Guerlac, Shylock, Boring, Spengler, Boring and Gerard dissecting, "Quantification - The History of Meaning of Measurement in the Natural and Social Sciences". Alistair Crombie wrote on Medieval Physics and Thomas Kuhn Modern Physical Science". I do have penchant towards using discipline "A" to analyse discipline "B".

Just the same, I do appreciate, say the Dreamtime of the Australian Aboriginie, would experiential, known unto them. Guess, that said, alternatively,looking at the 20-30 years before, Constantine or even Islam, I see, if the blocks had been arranged differently, we would a different tradition just as rigorously defended by alternative "legitimate" religions