Turn Right and then Turn Left - I agree with your point and it is well said with regard to the case of David Hicks;

a) " the man himself is irrelevant, it is the process used to try him." and;

b) The gag order itself is the issue, not what a .... Adelaide boy has to say.

For me, I see Mr David Hicks no different to other young curious lads, people who are curiously seeking something different in life.

I believe the interviews on David Hicks are utterly transparent.

However and unfortunately, I believe the process (scapegoating - unhuman mentallity) from Australian and US governments, is not transparent. It is too easy to exhibit these sort contradicts as an exclusive drama!

This is dissapointing and explains to me something about why perhaps there is not a HUMAN FACE available through their administrations, in other strategic areas '. Shameful, Wasteful denials, time, energy of taxpayers attention and money.

To understand something about David Hicks, is to understand something about ourselves as well as our youth. Then of course there is the factor of "timing" - given the US and Australia were also so very confused with the issues burdening one civilian they found in David Hicks!

Again, I thank David Hicks father for bothering to investigate, by retracing his SON's journey.

This is regrettably more than any government does to help solve the diversity of issues bound in humanity as refelcted in this one person's life, the life of an Australian Citizen.

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Sorry Grey, get it right. Hicks defence team constantly argued for due legal process to apply. An arguement upheld by the US Supreme Court. I think that was thier job as defence counsel.People like you are very spooky. How would you like me to capture you, detain you for 5 years, then make up an offence i can convict you on retrospectively.
You see Grey, Hicks is just a naughty silly boy,and that was not a crime when he was captured. I accept Bush made it a crime in June 2006.I do not condone Hicks in the slightest. However i am not prepared to condemm him for being silly with his life choices. Lets all be clear on this. Hicks was not part of 9/11, was not a Bali bomber, did not gas the London Underground or blow up Trains in Madrid. So get your hand off it.

Alan Grey, my second favourite evangelist. Sorry Alan, Bill's got his own wikipedia page, something you need to address.

Given that your "evidence" seems to come from News Limited op-ed pieces I am still waiting for some original thought.

Copy and pasting from the Sunday Herald Sun is really bad form mate.

I must admit you are having a bad twelve months, RU486, Stem Cells etc. don't worry I have a prediction. It will only get worse. (Unlike your prediction that the UK and US will mount a surgical strike to release the British in Iran - bet your peeved about thier release).

We have totally opposite views, that's OK, its the way things should be. But if OLO publishes an attack piece on the Liberal's in our society it is perfectly OK for us Liberal's to attack our Conservative foes.

dear runner,

how kind of you to keep rumpleman company. perhaps you would care to answer the questions i put to him?

1) why does objecting to muehlenberg's article have anything to do with being "left"?

2) can you point to a single "truth" in muehlenberg's article which you believe i find upsetting?

Grey Thank You

Well I dont know about the gag not being enforceable. Hicks wont test it I am Sure.

I cant understand the postings[either way] re Hicks.

Its just supports the cause.

The grub doesnt deserve anything.

If Hicks wanted to train and learn to be a soldier and "fight' he need not to have looked the Australian Army.

Australia is well known for its training such as SAS for eg.

All these places call upon Australia to train theirs!

So that shoots his story in both his left feet.

What Hicks story does show however and attention people- is the clear agenda by some within Australia to signing up of idiots like him to fight for Islam.

I am sure there are plenty more of "the willing' living here.
Probably on center link.

Wo be it for me to praise the Howard Government due to their blatent discusting lack of deceny towards animal welfare.-

However Howard got it right about the importance to protect Australia.

Anybody who supports this creap Hicks should be deported in my view.

Mind you I have my own personal theory on justice- Its called Cow Karma.

We the Australian people have not been able to get off our selfish back sides to care enough to stop the export of alive animals to feed these people.

They grow stronger taking our jobs and flooding our nation with drugs.

We feed them 'litterally' with unthinkable cruelty to our Australian Animals. Nobody cares.

Mums busy changing nappies and poo hars anybody saying- Excuse me but look at this.

"Oh no please is the normal reply-" "I dont want to see this-" I dont want to know about it."_ I have to get my children to footaball of piano lessons."

When Australia is finally taken and she will be- Just remember the suffering by Aussie Animals that you were all too busy to care about.

The old saying.
The wheels of justice turn slowly but surely.

As for Hicks I suggest we sent him back to the UK and Daddy too.

Good riddens to bad rubbish.

I know that I'll probably raise the ire of the majority of contributors to this topical thread, but I absolutely agree with the views expressed by 'BILL', 'RUNNER', and 'PEOPLE AGAINST.....' in relation to this David HICKS saga.

As a veteran myself, to think that this individual (fettered with an electronic manacle, or not), will in nine months time, again walk the streets of an Australia city, ostensibly a free man, beggers belief!

The shame he's brought down, both heavily and with finality, on the heads of his extended family must in private, be almost too much for them to bare! Their collective sorrows as to what motivates a son of theirs, their own flesh and blood, to take up arms against his very own people, must be almost incalculable.

Mr. Hicks Snr. must sadly, reflect as to what imperfection he possesses in his own character or genes, that allowed the propagation and raising of such a treacherous 'piece of work' as Mr.David HICKS, his son.

Sir, now that you, with the help of many others, have managed to secure the release of your son. I believe you should now 'cut him loose' and let him stand on his own two feet, and be accountable for his own actions in future.

Though, I suspect that this immature individual will never stand on his own two feet. But, when he again encounters trouble, will once more call on his poor Dad to provide succour and bail him out, as before.

Folks, I don't mean to demean any of your opinions. Gee, I reckon many of you are very much more erudite then me. It's just that I feel very strongly about this bloke, and he has prima facie, appeared to have 'gotten away' with it ! I guess I've no faith or respect for this country anymore? We seem to genuflect to anyone, any minority, that 'pulls us on'. All our Politicians', seem to be morally corrupt and without courage. I dunno people, it beats me.

Cheers...sungwu.