Chris we are not going to ween ourselves off the oil stuff over night.If the Middle East unites under Islam then they can determine the price of energy to the entire planet.The Mad Mullahs would not be too understandering if they can have total power.

The US is doing all the dirty work for the rest of the world in securing oil at competitive market prices.

The reality is this,what is the price of poverty that we daily see on our screens from places like Africa?Do we have the courage to live like them?Without the oil we are stuffed.

LIAM I was not suggesting Chris said those things, I was using them as a means of showing how silly some of his conspiracy theories are.
They were in quotation marks for what I thought were obvious reasons, as in.. they are often referred to by conspiracy theorists. As soon as I said 'free press' I knew the reaction would be WHAT ? hah ! etc etc..and any discussion of the media/hollywood, usually ends up at 'those Jews' etc...

Chris sees the West as all bad, but has nothing to offer in its place. I've asked him before, so one needs to highlight the silliness of just attacking everything on our own side of the international political divide as Chris does.

He claims we are all after 'stuff' but if you read his posts you would be forgiven for thinking he only means US.. and THE USA but surreeeeely not those Middle Easterners..no..not them, they are nice friendly people who have no history whatsoever of wanting 'stuff', including other peoples 'stuff'.

Chris waxes eloquent about how bad 'we' are.. with little mention of the point that our actions are often a 're'-action to other forces.

So, while Chris might be sincere, I believe he is sincerely misguided, and those who support his whacky views are simply using him as a tool in their own struggle to damage the Howard government in any way possible. Not realizing of course that the electorate does have a brain, and can see the strengths and weaknesses of Howard and can make up its own mind.

The true evil of the 'Left' came out when Tony Snow, White house spokesman was diagnosed with cancer and many of them came out wishing he was dead...quickly...the quicker the better.

BOAZ_David: so you've read someone refer to 'those jews' & protocols & conspiracy, and CS mentions conspiracy, therefore he's a believer in protocols? RightThink triumphs again, hurrah for the new dark age of smears and innuendo ("..come wave your pretty flags.." sing The Herd).

You attack him for not having a ready made set of perfect soutions, but i've never seen you express any reservations about the megadeath funded by our taxes in two countries (650,000+ in Iraq according to reputable & peer reviewed methodology). If thats the kind of solution you prefer then i too have nothing to offer you, but stop pretending there are no solutions, we all know there are plenty:
-the rule of law (not just for those who can afford more lawyers),
-representative government (for 20+ years surveys show a majority of aussies want end to woodchipping of State forests)
-transparent political lobbying and funding (just made less so by Prime Miniature)
-an end to the monumental market failures of externalised costs (eg. lead, GHG emissions, asbestos, persistant organic pollutants, ...).
No solutions? Not if you're amoral, dependant upon a corporate teat and lack the courage to change.

Arjay. Am I an old hypocrite? Absolutely!

- but I am only just beginning the realise the extent of my lifelong hypocrisy. It would be awfully hypocritical of me not to admit to the sheer uber-hypocriticality of this thing I laughingly call my life.

- and what price my grandkid's future, if they are to have one at all?

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In the meantime, rummagers into all things 9-11 might be interested in this little gem:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6566

Enjoy!

Using the old military lingo - we might suggest, no names, no pack drill.

But we have the liberty to suggest that all those commentaries backing Unipolar Big League America, are:

1. Those definitely playing safe because they believe the US has permanent possession of all the Ace Cards, nothing much about morality.

2. The more interested, however, could have feelings of superiority, knowing they are backed by elitist groups which in turn are backed by a wise, but somewhat elitist God.

3. These elitists groups include the Trilateralists and Bilderbergers, George W Bush and Tony Blair having connections, besides the master of double dealing, Henry Kissinger.

4. The above connections have politically grown from the
CFR - Council of Foreign Relations - colonialist love-child of Cecil Rhodes, Anglophilic Zionist, whom our present Anglophilic nations, America, Britain and our Aussie Land are rather blindly following backed by a population, many not really having a clue what the Middle East problems are all about.

5. It just happens that most social scientists and political philosophers do know what is really going on, yet called fruitcakes, left-wing loonies, or even bleeding hearts by far too many of a so-called learned group such as ours.

I agree it will be a long war, but not necessarily last for generations. It will depend on America's resolve to rout the jihadists and their state sponsors by using remorselessly the means of war against them while they are still weak, and not to allow them to become stronger and hence prolong the war at a huge cost of lives and materiel.

How to shorten the war see Blueprint For Victory In Iraq--http://power-politics1.blogspot.com