It's not a matter of what these maniacs have or have not done, so much as how we, the civilised ones, go about finding the facts.

We've got acres of experience and technology under our western belts, from Sherlock Holmes to DNA, yet we figure the best way to solve these crimes is to torture people.

It doesn't matter whether it's David Hicks, Joan of Arc, Mahatma Gandhi or the nutter in question here. After all, if we'd had the sense to use our collective western detective skills we could also have figured out which of his confessions were false. And got him for perjury as well.

Hick's pleaded Not Stupid. The timing of his trial and release (end of 07?) is perfect for Howard, coincidence i'm not sure. Fat lot of good it'll do him, as Iraq implodes and Asias generously cheap credit turns out to be a case of "give a mob of fools enough rope and they'll hang themselves".

Subtle, BOAZ_David, working "those jews" and the protocols of zion into your smear of CS when he said nothing of the sort. There are many alternatives to Cheney-capitalism (syn.plutocracy), many pre-existing and some new, your ignorance of them betrays your narrowmindedness.

bottom line in the law is old addage

"justice must not only be done but seen to be done"

as My favourite judge Kirby J said with normal economy of words in Luton

"this is not it"

Chris Shaw Carisbrook 3464 Quote " I CONFESS THAT THESE ARE THE SAME MISERABLE SODS WHO HAVE DRAGGED US INTO THEIR DIRTY RESOURCE WARS FOR DECADES."Actually it is energy and the Middle East owns 65% of it.So Chris would be happy to pay five times for his fuel and the associated products that are transported daily to his abode at a miniscule cost?

The US is in the Middle East to keep the mad Mullahs divided so they don't form oil cartels and hold the rest of the world to ransom.Chris Shaw is apart of this US plot,unless he wants to live in abject poverty.To deny the origins of our sustenance and life blood Chris,is to be the absolute hypocrite.Without the US we are stuffed.

"The US is in the Middle East to keep the Mad Mullahs divided so they don't form oil cartels and hold the rest of the world to ransom".

What do you think OPEC is? And what do you think happend during the 1973 oil crisis? Also, which Mad Mullah's are you talking about? Our sparing partners in Iran, or our buddies ruling with an iron fist in Saudi Arabia?

Surely this is an argument to get out of the Middle East, and either play nice, or start to ween ourselves off the black stuff? It's going to run our sooner or later (more likely sooner), and as they say, there's no time like the present!

Apologies to those posting on the article. I'll try to keep my posts on topic in future.

ChrisC, the west is going biofuel. The Brazilians have proven that a country can be energy dependent and many are taking up the practice of home brewing fuels from agricultural sources. The trouble here is that folks like you will demand that we now support the Middle East to the same extent we have Palestine for the last 60 years. You will be first to claim we OWE them now that we no longer require their oil that went to support their inflated affluent cultural kingdoms.
The hand writing is on the wall as more and more countries ween themselves off of Arabian Oil. Which is why there is so much passive-aggressive movement politically coming out from these areas now. Saudi Arabia verbally attacking America and Iran kidnapping UK Marines in Iraqi waters, the demand behind the Arab Palestinian/Israeli peace plan, etc.
In twenty or fifty years these countries will be as they were before oil became the new gold standard. Obscure Islamic enclaves living in poverty. Except they will all have nuclear weapons to use to black mail the world for economic support.